# TS317 voltage regulator falling voltage

I am looking for some help explaining a dropping voltage reading on a circuit I have built. Details below.

I have built a circuit to experiment with the TS317. The circuit is very similar to the standard application circuit on the data sheet.

R1 = 212 Omhs
R2 = POT makked with 47 Omhs 3W

[[Note that "very similar to" may mean "not the same as". ANY differences should be explained clearly]]

(These resisters are random taken from a lucky dip bag, I'm finding reading resisters very tough from differentiating the colour to working our which end to rad from when there are 6 bands as there is not always a clearly wider band at one end, any tips?)

C1 = 0.1 micro farad I think, labelled A5E104M
C2 = 1 mico farad

I am powering the circuit from a 9V battery and have a small piece of aluminium angle iron attached to TS317 with some non-silicon head sink compound, surface are ~ 1000 mm^2 one side (so double - area of TS317 for total). I am measuring my voltage with a cheap digital multimeter.

When I attach my batter I get a maximum voltage of 3.3 Volts and a minimum of 0.25 volts. Both these voltages slowly drop if I leave the circuit on. This would suggest to me that I am for some reason drawing more and more current resulting in a larger and larger voltage drop.

Could any one please explain to me why this is?

Considering the heat to dissipate per second,

HeatToDissipate_min = (9 - 3.3)*I = 5.7I
HeatToDissapate_max = (9 - 0.25)*I = 8.75I

but being as I have no load and I am just measuring v_out to ground then I should be negligible (volt meters are very high impedance right?).

BUT

I have noticed the pot is getting pretty warm too again suggesting current flowing, heat sink dose not seem too hot.

According to the data sheet formula I should only be getting ~ 1.5 V with R2 = 47 and R1 = 212, with I_adj as I understand limited to 100 micro ohms. Why are the values I'm getting different?

I've obliviously done something pretty wrong but don't know what. New to this electronics game as you can guess.

Thanks.

EDIT:
Thanks. Sorry for the late reply been busy at work. I have not gotten around to trying to draw the schematic with the pot yet. I decided to do away with the pot for now anyway for simplicity.

Figured out my mistake. I was taking the pins on the schematic to be 3-2-1 left to right, not reading properly that they go 3-1-2. Idiot. Sorry.

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Post the actual schematic for the circuit you are using. – Leon Heller Nov 14 '11 at 21:03
It's in the data sheet I linked to under standard application. html.alldatasheet.com/html-pdf/100153/ETC/TS317/342/6/… – Tommy Nov 14 '11 at 21:07
How does the circuit work when NOT connected to battery but to another voltge source? You have a multimeter. Use it to identify resistors, it should have resistance measurement. Next connect a resistor of a larggeish value to the regulator so you get say few milliamps at the output. Then measure voltage AT THE BATTERY. It could be that the battery is troublesome. Also measure the current at the battery with no load and with small load. This should give you some idea if it's the battery or the regulator. – AndrejaKo Nov 14 '11 at 21:19
What pot? It isn't on the schematic! Post the actual circuit! – Leon Heller Nov 14 '11 at 21:31
You have a very limited time to start reporting what you are ACTUALLY doing before the question is closed. IF this happens DO NOT go away. Instead, READ the advice given, do what is said, repopen question and report results. At present you are not doing what you say you are doing and the result is a confusing mess that people have vast trouble helping you with. Once you start reporting what is REALLY happening, show what the circuit REALLY is, report what the resistancs REALLY are etc we can make progress. – Russell McMahon Nov 14 '11 at 21:50

It sounds like the regulator may be going into thermal shutdown (or battery is sagging if small 9V PP3 type)
This is probably due to a short on the output. Are you sure R1 = 212 ohms? Also are you sure you have the potentiometer connected correctly? (e.g. from top to bottom, not from wiper to top/bottom. If it is connected from wiper, is it turned the right way?) Did you test the resistance of both with your multimeter?

As Leon says it would help if you post a schematic of your setup (whilst doing this you may notice a mistake) A picture would probably be very useful too (or instead)

Set your multimeter to continuity test mode (or low ohms) and test for shorts between the output and other junctions of your circuit (e.g. output to ground, output to input, output to Vadj etc)
You can also confirm that the circuit is drawing too much current by setting multimter to Amps range and connceting it in series between the battery and circuit (e.g. red lead to battery plus, black lead to Vin of regulator. You will probably need to swap the red lead to the dedicated Amps socket)

EDIT - From reading the comments you need to sort the resistive divider out to suitable values. 212k ohms and 4.7 ohms could cause strange things to happen. Also it sounds like your battery may be dead if you are measuring such low voltages (it may be due to a short though, so measure the battery voltage when unplugged from circuit)

EDIT2 - I noticed you have the TS317 attached to a piece of aluminium. Be careful here as the metal tab on many TO-220 regulator packages is electrically connected to the output. Make sure nothing else that shouldn't be is touching the aluminium and causing the short. Easiest way to be sure is remove it from the aluminium, as you don't need a heatsink unless you are dissipating a reasonable amount of power (say > 1W) so with no load on the output it will be fine. You can add it again if necessary when you have figured out the problem.

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Thanks. Found a short between output and ground, will have to have a proper examination tomorrow evening. I will try and post a pic, download a schematic drawing diagram e.t.c too. – Tommy Nov 14 '11 at 22:12
Ok, no problem. See the edit at the end about possible heatsink shorting. – Oli Glaser Nov 14 '11 at 23:32

I do not know what you ARE doing but you are not doing what you say you are doing :-).

Once we work out exactly what you are really doing it will be easy to make it work properly.

A number of things that you describe are IMPOSSIBLE if you are doing what you say except, perhaps, if the circuit is oscillating. When circuits like this oscillate a DC meter does not "see" the AC voltage correcly and you can be misled.

There are enough possibly wrong things that trying to describe all the variations would take too much room.

So - look at this, find out what is really wrong, fix it and report back.

Look at the circuit.
Look at where R2 is connected.
Note that the ONLY sources for current to flow into R2 are either out of R1 or out of the Adj pin of the IC.

Neither of these paths would allow R2 to get hot IF R1 = 212 ohms.
Consider:

• The current out of adj is always small.

• If R1 = 212 ohms and R2 = 0-47 ohms then if you connected the 9 volt supply directly across R1+R2 the MOST power you can dissipate in R2 = about 57 mW = 0.057 Watt.

• ie When R1=212, R2=47 - P_R2 = I^2 x R = (9/(212+47))^2 x 47 = 56.8 mW.

So:

Are you sure you have got R1 and R2 where you say?
(Clue: You haven;t)

You may have them swapped with each other.
This would not explain everything but may explain the 47 ohm pot getting warm.

So

Look at pinout and ensure you have pins identified correctly.
Look at circuit and be SURE you have connections correct./
Check it all again.

Test: Vout for a TS317 can NEVER be less than 1.25V.
If it is, as you report is the case, then something is wrong.

Question: How do you know the value of R1?
What value does your ohm meter say it is?

3.3V, 212 ohms. I = V/r = 3.3/212 ~= 15 mA.

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Thanks. Sorry for the late reply been busy at work. I decided to do away with the pot for now. Started from scratch again following the above schematic. I picked out two other resisters. With R_1 = 220 and R_2 =390 I measured a STABLE voltage of 6.90. With the resisters reversed I measured a stable voltage of 6.80. However using the data-sheet formula I should only be getting 3.49 V and 1.97 V respectively. This makes me think something else is still wrong as my figures are more similar (thought far from exact) to what would be expected for the voltage drop over the two resisters in series. – Tommy Nov 16 '11 at 21:49
@Tommy - it's possible you have blown the regulator when you had it connected the wrong way round, though they are usually pretty indestructible. If you have another one try that. If not then there must be something else wrong, a (good) picture of your setup might help more than the schematic in this case. – Oli Glaser Nov 17 '11 at 0:47