Take the 2-minute tour ×
Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for electronics and electrical engineering professionals, students, and enthusiasts. It's 100% free, no registration required.

I am trying to build a heater based on Nickel-chromium 80%/20% wire (nichrome) to heat tubes of solutions for an electrophysiology research setup. The plan was to wrap a length of nichrome around each tube, then chain the tubes in series by joining each end of the nichrome to a short piece of hookup wire with a gold connector on the end.

BUT I just tried to solder a length of hookup wire to the nichrome and found that the nichrome won't accept my standard rosin-core lead solder at all. I'm using a Weller iron at around 750°F (400°C), but playing with the temp made no difference except for increasing my frustration. My suspicion is that I need to use some other kind of solder, or if the soldering technique is too cumbersome, some other way of joining the nichrome to the circuit. What are my options for getting this nichrome stuff to play nice?


UPDATE: Thanks for all the responses. I ended up using a type of gold connector we had around where I could trap the nichrome wire by filling the hole for the wire with solder. Hopefully this will hold up.

share|improve this question
1  
You can use a pill of aspirin as a flux instead of rosin. Just do not inhale the vapor in. –  user924 Jun 6 '12 at 23:14
add comment

4 Answers

up vote 6 down vote accepted

A crimp is usually used inside heaters for connecting nichrome wire to other metal parts or wires. Since it can get hot, you'd need a bare metal (not plastic coated) butt crimp.

bare splicing or butt crimp

Its a very reliable method if you use the right tool and a very poor method if you make-do with pliers and brute force. With the right tool, the two metals in a crimped bond are actually cold-welded together, forming a gas-tight bond. Other connection methods (including soldering without sufficient flux) may leave oxide layers or admit oxygen which can affect conduction and mechanical strength.

The "right tool" is the ratchet crimp tool recommended by the manufacturer for the particular crimp and wire. Ratchet tools ensure that the correct pressure is applied before they release (unless you use the emergency release lever which is only meant in case of trapped fingers). As opposed to a pair of pliers, which may under or overcrimp the part, not shape the crimp correctly, slip off etc. Ratchet crimp tools can and should be calibrated.

share|improve this answer
    
What is the "right tool" for making a good crimp with these butt crimps? I know about the crimping tools that create the "m" shape that can be used with crimp connectors and stranded wire. Can that tool be used to make a good crimp with these? –  yamad Apr 10 '12 at 15:53
    
-1 long after the event - see discussion in meta | This is a very narrowly focused answer and unworthy of being accepted as the best one. While crimps as shown are a good method in many cases they are not necessarily the best method in every case and restricting your answer to one method while elsewhere rejecting what can sometimes be perfectly good ones is giving an overly narrow view in an accepted answer. –  Russell McMahon May 28 '12 at 9:43
    
@RussellMcMahon, I think this was accepted by the user because it is what was chosen as a solution. –  Kortuk Jun 5 '12 at 17:30
add comment

Have you considered a simple screw terminal or chocolate block?

screw terminal

share|improve this answer
add comment

When I dealt with nichrome wire in the past I ended up tying a small knot in the wire LIGHTLY sanding it to clean off any corrosion or surface debris that would inhibit current flow. I then took that and crimped it inside a small tube (I think I used aluminum) and then I could attach that connector to whatever I needed to. I don't think nichrome has the ability to accept solder.

share|improve this answer
add comment
  • Soldering methods with standard solder do work reliabaly long term but take extra effort to implement.

  • Solders tailored for this type of application make soldering easier.

  • Acid fluxes tailored for difficult materials are available. These are totally unsuited to PCB level soldering but are acceptable for wire termination such as this as long as instructions are properly followed. (This requirement is not unique to acid flux - anything can cause problems if instructions are not properly followed).

  • Crimp methods are common and work "well enough" in many cases. Crimps on even standard wiring in demanding environments can be extremely unreliable longer term if not carried out correctly. In this case "correctly" may be specified by a manufacturer for Nichrome use with a given connector but, if not, then enthusiastic "works well for me" advice which is not based on long representative experience or manufacturers advice may led to longer term disasters.

  • Be careful with crimping: Crimp connection is a widely used solution for wiring termination and in many cases works well. In demanding situations it can often produce poor reliability.

    I at one stage did some work looking at fault sources for people who had a reasonably large number of electronic systems installed in a number of taxi fleets. Equipment included taxi meters, printers, EFTPOS readers, GPS, roof lights and more. A wide range of installers who were considered to be competent had done installations over some years using standard crimping tools and standard wire and cable types. In installations where there were problems a significant proportion had connection issues which could be remedied by rebuilding crimped joints. Which crimped joint was the bad one in any given case added to the fun. Soldering joints which had been crimped cured such connection problems and solder joints were not a significant trouble cause.

    The above was with copper wires, not Nichrome.
    Nichrome can be expected to be more difficult to manage well.


Nichrome termination:

I've used scrape, wrap, solder as in second method below, with good-enough success. Not always pretty. Clamping mechanically is often used.

(1) All State 430 silver-containing solder.

The advice below actually sounds like it may work.
The magic may be in the silver and the flux. So, other solders may work.

Their method involves:
Silver-containing solder
plus Duzall flux (highly corrosive acid based)
to tin the wire out of circuit
allowing it to then be soldered in circuit with 'normal' solder.

Note that Duzall is extremely corrosive and will happily eat anything electronic that comes in contact with it. This method sounds potentially workable but careful cleaning after tinning is essential.

Discussion group recommendation of Dynagrip #430 kit from All-State

They say:

  • Dynagrip #430 kit from All-State includes 4' of silver bearing solder and a small dropper bottle of Duzall liquid flux Another company that makes a small kit is J W Harris out of Mason, Ohio They even make kits to solder aluminum. These kits can be purchased at nearly any welding supply store. They also work good for soldering the ends on SS motorcycle cables.

    Do not try to silver solder the nichrome wire directly into the circuit--just tin it with the silver solder and then regular solder works FB to attach it to tie points or whatever.

ESAB selling All State 430 solder

Their aim is stainless steel soldering.
They say:

  • Cadmium free, low temperature, food grade, solder for high strength on stainless steels, and dissimilar metals. Deposits closely match stainless, and stay bright after prolonged service. Use with All-State Duzall flux or All-state 430 flux.

  • Extra Info

    Recommended applications: stainless steel food handling equipment, refrigeration and air conditioning equipment, instrument manufacturing, electrical work where higher conductivity is required and other applications where strength and ductility must be higher than common solders offer.

    Procedure:
    Degrease joint area.
    Place All-State Duzall liquid flux on joint area.
    Use any heat source that will produce 430°F (221°C)in the base metal.
    If torch is used,heat indirectly and avoid burning flux.
    Apply solder when flux starts to bubble.
    Allow to cool slowly.
    Remove flux residue with hot water.
    When soldering stainless steel types 430, 316, 321 or 347, use All-State No. 430 Acid Flux.

(2) Scrape, wrap solder:

MakerBot method - wrap in solderable wire & solder.

Note that the method involves several steps, all of which will help success (probably :-) ). I'd add a cleaning step at the start. See their page for pictures.

Strip two wires.
Clean NiCr by abrasion.
Overlap wires and wrap with bare 40 gauge copper.
Bend ends of wires being joined back over join. [Plier mild crimp here probably useful]
Wrap again with 40 gauge wire.
[Crimp again?]
Solder

Their image, before final soldering: Crimping along the way and tighter wrapping could produce a reasonably good looking result.

Photo - BEFORE final soldering

enter image description here

This could be reasonably OK in appearance with due experience.
It relies on NiCr either actually being soldered to some extent OR being trapped mechanically inside a solid soldered copper-copper shroud. In the latter case it may work well but YMMV`. Take due care.


` - YMMV - Your Mileage May Vary - If you've never met it substitute "Caveat Emptor" :-).

share|improve this answer
    
Accepted for giving an overview of good options, and ultimately convincing me that almost any hackish method would work. –  yamad Apr 6 '12 at 1:56
2  
Downvoted for giving an overview of bad solder-based options, and convincing the OP that almost any hackish method would work. When connecting to aluminum, stainless, or other exotic metals like NiCr, the answer is usually a mechanical clamp or crimp connection, and solder (for various reasons you've conveniently described) is a poor solution. –  Kevin Vermeer Apr 6 '12 at 3:03
3  
@KevinVermeer - In my experience with a relatively small sample size, but spread over decades, the method I described always worked electrically impeccably. I explained what the issues were. It's not my responsibility for what conviction is derived from my words PROVIDED that I've provide adequate cautions. Some people cannot tolerate poor appearance even with impeccable performance. To each their own. | I don't know if you read what I wrote thoroughly enough to realise that my 1st method used a solder specifically made for "difficult" materials. ... –  Russell McMahon Apr 7 '12 at 14:04
1  
@KevinVermeer - ... | I have solder made for Al soldering - I' surprised you haven't met it. It's relatively common. –  Russell McMahon Apr 7 '12 at 14:07
1  
@yamad - Normal solder on NiCr wire will leave an oxide layer that can impede conduction. It may be mechanically trapped, but that's not a good conduction path. Especially since this is a heater, you need good, reliable connections. Plain contact is insufficient. Screw terminals and crimps will cold-weld the metals together and give a much higher-quality bond. Still, you can probably get away with solder if you've already got it working. No worries about the little ruckus; it's just a bit of ordinary miscommunication. –  Kevin Vermeer Apr 9 '12 at 17:43
show 4 more comments

protected by W5VO Apr 30 '13 at 14:47

Thank you for your interest in this question. Because it has attracted low-quality answers, posting an answer now requires 10 reputation on this site.

Would you like to answer one of these unanswered questions instead?

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.