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I'm thinking about using 4N25 optocoupler - it has a separate lead for base of phototransistor. How do I use it? I suppose I can't leave it floating?

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The base terminal of certain phototransistor optocouplers is exposed to address specific design requirements, such as below. If those requirements do not exist, a part without the base pin might be a better choice - the latter are typically 4 or 6 pin parts as opposed to (usually) 8-pin parts incorporating the base pin: Usually cheaper, less space needed on the board, and less routing too.

  1. Faster switching on trailing edge of pulsed signal: For this purpose, a resistor is connected between base and emitter (or ground), of value calculated as per specific transistor and required switching time.
    For a quick & dirty general value, just stick in a 220k to 470k resistor there.

  2. Impulse noise immunity (or reduction) at output: This is required when input current suffers brief spikes or sharp extraneous rise / fall, such as due to poor power regulation. A capacitor is connected between base and emitter of the phototransistor. This acts in effect like a low pass filter, adding some smoothing to the input signal, and bypassing sharp spikes. It does reduce signal sensitivity and introduce a delay, though.
    For a quick and dirty value, use a 0.1 nF capacitor, though it is worth trying higher and lower capacitances, depending on adverse effects if any.

  3. Current transfer ratio matching: This third function applies when multiple optocouplers are used in parallel for a design. There will always be some difference in performance between parts, even from a single batch. If matching them up is critical to the application, various approaches to provide appropriate bias to the base are used.
    No quick and dirty approach in this case.

To conclude: No, the base should not be left floating, or it will act as an antenna, picking up EMI noise and superimposing it on the output.

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The IC shown in question is a 6 pin part and not "(usually) 8-pin parts" so that benefit of baseless optocoupler is not there. Good detailed answer otherwise. –  ExcitingProjects Nov 9 '12 at 6:19
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There is not much difference than the standard BJT design and an optotransistor. The base can be left floating but it will severely reduce the turn off speed since any internal base capacitance cannot be discharges(which is why they gave you a direct connection to to the base. Optocouplers do not have this connection).

The base picking up spurious EM emissions is not a huge issue with BJT's unless the CTR is very high or in critical applications. You can generally use any optotransistor as an optocoupler. If you want faster speeds you should tie the base to ground through an appropriately sized resistor so that the internal capacitance can discharge in time.

In any case, just treat any optotransistor as a normal BJT circuit, but that the input to the optocoupler has a very high impedance to the base when off(that is, no light = "floating" base). Generally this means you have to have a pull up or down resistor to provide a relatively low path to ground to either prevent spurious results from EM or to allow for discharge of capacitance in a timely manner.

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If you have access to the base, you can use the base-emitter junction as a photodiode; iirc this is faster than using a phototransistor.

The current transfer characteristic is also much more linear (although for analog stuff it won't come close to servo optocoupler)

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It could also be handy for testing maybe? You might have the LV side of the equipment at your bench, while the HV side is really inaccessible in the factory. So tickle the base with 5V on/off to simulate the HV side which is missing in the lab.

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While this is a possible use it doesn't really address the main question of how to use one in general and whether it can be left floating. –  PeterJ May 25 at 13:40
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