N-Channel Mosfet as Switch - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange most recent 30 from electronics.stackexchange.com 2022-01-21T04:37:09Z https://electronics.stackexchange.com/feeds/question/440092 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/rdf https://electronics.stackexchange.com/q/440092 2 N-Channel Mosfet as Switch Braydon Burkhardt https://electronics.stackexchange.com/users/222006 2019-05-24T00:15:33Z 2019-05-26T21:23:39Z <p>I have a few n-channel MOSFETs (the irlb8721's) and I was able to use it as a switch to control an led with the gate at 5 volts.</p> <p>I would like to change the source/drain voltage to 11.1v from 5v and current will be 20a with still having the gate at 5v (so I can control it with a microcontroller). Would this be possible? Or do I need to add additional transistors/resistors? </p> <p><img src="https://i.stack.imgur.com/0dwas.png" alt="schematic"></p> <p><sup><a href="/plugins/schematics?image=http%3a%2f%2fi.stack.imgur.com%2f0dwas.png">simulate this circuit</a> &ndash; Schematic created using <a href="https://www.circuitlab.com/" rel="nofollow">CircuitLab</a></sup></p> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/440092/-/440098#440098 1 Answer by acker9 for N-Channel Mosfet as Switch acker9 https://electronics.stackexchange.com/users/78032 2019-05-24T01:39:21Z 2019-05-24T01:39:21Z <p>The irlb8721 data sheet says the max continuous drain current at T=25 Celsius is 62A for Vgs=10V. Of course, your load component(s) needs to be able to take that current as well.</p> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/440092/-/440099#440099 6 Answer by joribama for N-Channel Mosfet as Switch joribama https://electronics.stackexchange.com/users/217794 2019-05-24T01:40:10Z 2019-05-24T01:40:10Z <p>Let's see how bad this looks...</p> <p>According to the datasheet Vds max = 30V, what is much higher than 11.1V, so you are good in this regard.</p> <p>Let's check the power dissipation @ Id=20A. According to Fig. 12 of the datasheet, the Rdson degrades significantly when Vgs=5V instead of 10V. For Tj=125˚C (worst case), Rdson=16mΩ. So the power dissipated will be 0.016*(20A)^2=6.4W, what is pretty high.</p> <p>According to the datasheet, the thermal resistance from junction to ambient with no heatsink is 62 ˚C/W (max). With Pd = 6.4W, assuming Tamb = 25˚C, we get Tj = 25 + 62 * 6.4 = 421.8˚C !!! It's clear you need a heatsink!</p> <p>Let's see how big of a heatsink you need. Let's say Tj=125˚C (what is already pretty high) and Tamb=25˚C, so the delta T will be 100˚C. For Pd = 6.4W, the total thermal resistance will have to be less than 100˚C / 6.4W = 15.6 ˚C/W. The thermal resistance from junction to the heatsink is 2.3 + 0.5 = 2.8 ˚C/W, according to the datasheet. This means that the heatsink thermal resistance will have to be lower than 15.6 - 2.8 = 12.8 ˚C/W. You may be able to achieve that with a big heatsink or with a not-so-big heatsink with forced ventilation.</p> <p>If you add a level shifter capable of driving the gate of the FET with 10V instead of 5V, the power dissipation will reduce significantly. According to the datasheet Rds max will become 8.7mΩ, what drops Pd to 3.48W, what will require a total thermal resistance of 28.7˚C/W, and 25.9˚C/W for the heatsink only. This translates into a much smaller heatsink.</p> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/440092/-/440100#440100 2 Answer by Tony Stewart EE75 for N-Channel Mosfet as Switch Tony Stewart EE75 https://electronics.stackexchange.com/users/17574 2019-05-24T01:43:03Z 2019-05-24T06:24:59Z <p><strong>Will it work at 11.2V?</strong> Yes because when its's working the <strong>Vds is still only &lt;0.1V</strong> and Vds max is 30V =BVdss when it is off.</p> <p><strong>How do you know if the FET will work?</strong> Here, It can if you have a really good heatsink or you can invert the driver with an NPN and use the &gt;=10V gate rated voltage</p> <p><strong>RdsOn rises 50% at Vgs=5V from the rated value at Vgs= 10V for this FET with Vgs(th)max=Vt=2.35</strong> Here 5V/2.35=2.12</p> <p>Unless rated for your drive level, I always suggest choose <strong>Vt (max)&lt;=1/3 of Vdd</strong> and not 1 / 2.12...</p> <p><em>Next time, remember that.</em></p> <p><strong>What about the PTC effect?</strong> RdsOn rises 100% or doubles at Vgs=4.5 ( So don't use 4.5V, use a 1% supply not 10%) or get a lower Vt (Vgs(th) FET. These tend to be SMD only.</p> <p>8.7mΩ*150%*20A²= 5,221 mW. @ 25'C At 65'C RdsOn rises 25% so if your junction temp rise was 40'C, now it will be 50'C. Thus it will rise more than you expect.</p> <p><strong>PTC Effects on junction Temp</strong></p> <p>A good heatsink is mandatory and is a bit more than Ohm's Law to compute the required resistance because there will be a PTC effect with 2x Ron per a Tj rise of 50% per 80'C.<br /> <strong>(est.) multiply 125% thermal resistance for a 40'C rise</strong></p> <p><span class="math-container">\$R_{θJC}+R_{θCS}+R_{θSA} \cdot Pd= (2.8 + heatsink[°C/W])*150% \cdot 5.2W = 45°C\$</span><br /> <strong>add rise +5°C margin for error for est. of heatsink and enclosure above room or enclosure temp</strong></p> <p>Thus the thermal resistance of heatsink + enclosure must be <span class="math-container">\$40°C/5.2W/150%-2.8= 2.32°/W\$</span> That's a decent size heatsink, but if inside a box this can be much more without ventilation and then you can be looking at the PTC effect leading to a slowly rising temp until you ask ( Why did my FET fail?)</p> <p><a href="https://i.stack.imgur.com/6J6eM.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.stack.imgur.com/6J6eM.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/440092/-/440119#440119 5 Answer by Jack Creasey for N-Channel Mosfet as Switch Jack Creasey https://electronics.stackexchange.com/users/117295 2019-05-24T05:25:07Z 2019-05-26T21:23:39Z <p>If you are using the IRLB8721 simply because it's what is in your component drawer then you can simply parallel multiple devices. While current sharing will not be exact between devices, the power dissipation will reduce with the square of the current flow through each device. </p> <p>For example if the RDS(on) achieved is close to 16 mOhms with your current 5V MCU driving the device: </p> <ol> <li><p>At 20A you might expect 6.4W dissipation in that single device.</p></li> <li><p>Two devices in parallel (~8 mOhm) will give about 3.2W spread across both devices or about 1.6W each. This is well within the capabilities of the TO 220 device tab without a heatsink at all.</p></li> <li><p>Three devices in parallel (~5.3 mOhm) will give about 2W total dissipation spread over the three devices or about 700 mW each.</p></li> </ol> <p>There is no chance of thermal runaway at all since RDS increases and VGS(th) reduces with an increase in temperature. Given the cost differential between the IRLB8721 and a heatsink, using two devices in parallel would be cheaper than buying a heatsink to dissipate the power from a single device. </p>