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Assuming, for quick analysis sake, that the diodes and emitter-base junction each have 0.7V across, this leaves 0.7V across R5. The emitter current for Q2 is then:

$$I_{E2} \approx \dfrac{0.7V}{39 \Omega} = 18mA$$

Thus, the first thing you should is check to see if you do in fact have this. Measure the voltage across the R5 and use Ohm's law to calculate \$I_{E2}\$. If it is "in the ballpark", the bias circuit is working as designed.

without them, Q2 goes into saturation, and is basically bypassed - the amplification is done by Q3 alone

Q2 isn't configured as an amplifier in this circuit, it is an active load (current source) for Q3. Note that the voltage at the base of Q2 is effectively constant while the audio signal from Q1 is applied to the base of Q3.

Essentially, Q2 supplies an approximately constant current "down" out of the collector.


I've simulated this circuit with pSpice and it doesn't work well at all which doesn't surprise me for a number reasons. The output stage is highly non-linear but there's no DC or AC feedback around it. The collector voltage of Q3 is thus poorly controlled.

In fact, when I simulate the operating point, I find that Q3 is in saturation.

enter image description here


To simply address some of the problems with this circuit, I added two resistors:

  • An emitter resistor for Q3 to add local feedback
  • A resistor between the collector of Q3 and the emitter of Q1 to provide both DC feedback, to set Q3's collector voltage at about 6V, and AC feedback to set the open-circuit small-signal gain to about 20dB.

enter image description here

By adding these resistors, I need to change the value of R7 to 220k. The values I picked for the added resistors and R7 are not necessarily optimum and were found by "playing around" with the values and simulating until I got what I wanted.

A more rigorous derivation of the gain and operating point dependence on these resistor values would be fun but I honestly don't have the time at this moment but... maybe later.

Below is a transient simulation with 1Vpp 1kHz input:

enter image description here

Assuming, for quick analysis sake, that the diodes and emitter-base junction each have 0.7V across, this leaves 0.7V across R5. The emitter current for Q2 is then:

$$I_{E2} \approx \dfrac{0.7V}{39 \Omega} = 18mA$$

Thus, the first thing you should is check to see if you do in fact have this. Measure the voltage across the R5 and use Ohm's law to calculate \$I_{E2}\$. If it is "in the ballpark", the bias circuit is working as designed.

without them, Q2 goes into saturation, and is basically bypassed - the amplification is done by Q3 alone

Q2 isn't configured as an amplifier in this circuit, it is an active load (current source) for Q3. Note that the voltage at the base of Q2 is effectively constant while the audio signal from Q1 is applied to the base of Q3.

Essentially, Q2 supplies an approximately constant current "down" out of the collector.


I've simulated this circuit with pSpice and it doesn't work well at all which doesn't surprise me for a number reasons. The output stage is highly non-linear but there's no DC or AC feedback around it. The collector voltage of Q3 is thus poorly controlled.

In fact, when I simulate the operating point, I find that Q3 is in saturation.

enter image description here


To address the problems with this circuit, I added two resistors:

  • An emitter resistor for Q3 to add local feedback
  • A resistor between the collector of Q3 and the emitter of Q1 to provide both DC feedback, to set Q3's collector voltage at about 6V, and AC feedback to set the small-signal gain to about 20dB.

enter image description here

By adding these resistors, I need to change the value of R7 to 220k. The values I picked for the added resistors and R7 are not necessarily optimum and were found by "playing around" with the values and simulating until I got what I wanted.

A more rigorous derivation of the gain and operating point dependence on these resistor values would be fun but I honestly don't have the time at this moment but... maybe later.

Below is a transient simulation with 1Vpp 1kHz input:

enter image description here

Assuming, for quick analysis sake, that the diodes and emitter-base junction each have 0.7V across, this leaves 0.7V across R5. The emitter current for Q2 is then:

$$I_{E2} \approx \dfrac{0.7V}{39 \Omega} = 18mA$$

Thus, the first thing you should is check to see if you do in fact have this. Measure the voltage across the R5 and use Ohm's law to calculate \$I_{E2}\$. If it is "in the ballpark", the bias circuit is working as designed.

without them, Q2 goes into saturation, and is basically bypassed - the amplification is done by Q3 alone

Q2 isn't configured as an amplifier in this circuit, it is an active load (current source) for Q3. Note that the voltage at the base of Q2 is effectively constant while the audio signal from Q1 is applied to the base of Q3.

Essentially, Q2 supplies an approximately constant current "down" out of the collector.


I've simulated this circuit with pSpice and it doesn't work well at all which doesn't surprise me for a number reasons. The output stage is highly non-linear but there's no DC or AC feedback around it. The collector voltage of Q3 is thus poorly controlled.

In fact, when I simulate the operating point, I find that Q3 is in saturation.

enter image description here


To simply address some of the problems with this circuit, I added two resistors:

  • An emitter resistor for Q3 to add local feedback
  • A resistor between the collector of Q3 and the emitter of Q1 to provide both DC feedback, to set Q3's collector voltage at about 6V, and AC feedback to set the open-circuit small-signal gain to about 20dB.

enter image description here

By adding these resistors, I need to change the value of R7 to 220k. The values I picked for the added resistors and R7 are not necessarily optimum and were found by "playing around" with the values and simulating until I got what I wanted.

A more rigorous derivation of the gain and operating point dependence on these resistor values would be fun but I honestly don't have the time at this moment but... maybe later.

Below is a transient simulation with 1Vpp 1kHz input:

enter image description here

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Assuming, for quick analysis sake, that the diodes and emitter-base junction each have 0.7V across, this leaves 0.7V across R5. The emitter current for Q2 is then:

$$I_{E2} \approx \dfrac{0.7V}{39 \Omega} = 18mA$$

Thus, the first thing you should is check to see if you do in fact have this. Measure the voltage across the R5 and use Ohm's law to calculate \$I_{E2}\$. If it is "in the ballpark", the bias circuit is working as designed.

without them, Q2 goes into saturation, and is basically bypassed - the amplification is done by Q3 alone

Q2 isn't configured as an amplifier in this circuit, it is an active load (current source) for Q3. Note that the voltage at the base of Q2 is effectively constant while the audio signal from Q1 is applied to the base of Q3.

Essentially, Q2 supplies an approximately constant current "down" out of the collector.


I've simulated this circuit with pSpice and it doesn't work well at all which doesn't surprise me for a number reasons. The output stage is highly non-linear but there's no DC or AC feedback around it. The collector voltage of Q3 is thus poorly controlled.

In fact, when I simulate the operating point, I find that Q3 is in saturation.

enter image description here


To address the problems with this circuit, I added two resistors:

  • An emitter resistor for Q3 to add local feedback
  • A resistor between the collector of Q3 and the emitter of Q1 to provide both DC feedback, to set Q3's collector voltage at about 6V, and AC feedback to set the small-signal gain to about 20dB.

enter image description here

By adding these resistors, I need to change the value of R7 to 220k. The values I picked for the added resistors and R7 are not necessarily optimum and were found by "playing around" with the values and simulating until I got what I wanted.

A more rigorous derivation of the gain and operating point dependence on these resistor values would be fun but I honestly don't have the time at this moment but... maybe later.

Below is a transient simulation with 1Vpp 1kHz input:

enter image description here

Assuming, for quick analysis sake, that the diodes and emitter-base junction each have 0.7V across, this leaves 0.7V across R5. The emitter current for Q2 is then:

$$I_{E2} \approx \dfrac{0.7V}{39 \Omega} = 18mA$$

Thus, the first thing you should is check to see if you do in fact have this. Measure the voltage across the R5 and use Ohm's law to calculate \$I_{E2}\$. If it is "in the ballpark", the bias circuit is working as designed.

without them, Q2 goes into saturation, and is basically bypassed - the amplification is done by Q3 alone

Q2 isn't configured as an amplifier in this circuit, it is an active load (current source) for Q3. Note that the voltage at the base of Q2 is effectively constant while the audio signal from Q1 is applied to the base of Q3.

Essentially, Q2 supplies an approximately constant current "down" out of the collector.


I've simulated this circuit with pSpice and it doesn't work well at all which doesn't surprise me for a number reasons. The output stage is highly non-linear but there's no DC or AC feedback around it. The collector voltage of Q3 is thus poorly controlled.

In fact, when I simulate the operating point, I find that Q3 is in saturation.

enter image description here

Assuming, for quick analysis sake, that the diodes and emitter-base junction each have 0.7V across, this leaves 0.7V across R5. The emitter current for Q2 is then:

$$I_{E2} \approx \dfrac{0.7V}{39 \Omega} = 18mA$$

Thus, the first thing you should is check to see if you do in fact have this. Measure the voltage across the R5 and use Ohm's law to calculate \$I_{E2}\$. If it is "in the ballpark", the bias circuit is working as designed.

without them, Q2 goes into saturation, and is basically bypassed - the amplification is done by Q3 alone

Q2 isn't configured as an amplifier in this circuit, it is an active load (current source) for Q3. Note that the voltage at the base of Q2 is effectively constant while the audio signal from Q1 is applied to the base of Q3.

Essentially, Q2 supplies an approximately constant current "down" out of the collector.


I've simulated this circuit with pSpice and it doesn't work well at all which doesn't surprise me for a number reasons. The output stage is highly non-linear but there's no DC or AC feedback around it. The collector voltage of Q3 is thus poorly controlled.

In fact, when I simulate the operating point, I find that Q3 is in saturation.

enter image description here


To address the problems with this circuit, I added two resistors:

  • An emitter resistor for Q3 to add local feedback
  • A resistor between the collector of Q3 and the emitter of Q1 to provide both DC feedback, to set Q3's collector voltage at about 6V, and AC feedback to set the small-signal gain to about 20dB.

enter image description here

By adding these resistors, I need to change the value of R7 to 220k. The values I picked for the added resistors and R7 are not necessarily optimum and were found by "playing around" with the values and simulating until I got what I wanted.

A more rigorous derivation of the gain and operating point dependence on these resistor values would be fun but I honestly don't have the time at this moment but... maybe later.

Below is a transient simulation with 1Vpp 1kHz input:

enter image description here

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Assuming, for quick analysis sake, that the diodes and emitter-base junction each have 0.7V across, this leaves 0.7V across R5. The emitter current for Q2 is then:

$$I_{E2} \approx \dfrac{0.7V}{39 \Omega} = 18mA$$

Thus, the first thing you should is check to see if you do in fact have this. Measure the voltage across the R5 and use Ohm's law to calculate \$I_{E2}\$. If it is "in the ballpark", the bias circuit is working as designed.

without them, Q2 goes into saturation, and is basically bypassed - the amplification is done by Q3 alone

Q2 isn't configured as an amplifier in this circuit, it is an active load (current source) for Q3. Note that the voltage at the base of Q2 is effectively constant while the audio signal from Q1 is applied to the base of Q3.

Essentially, Q2 supplies an approximately constant current "down" out of the collector.


I've simulated this circuit in using a "real" simulatorwith pSpice and it doesn't work well at all which doesn't surprise me for a number reasons. The output stage is highly non-linear but there's no DC or AC feedback around it. The collector voltage of Q3 is thus poorly controlled.

In fact, when I simulate the operating point, I find that Q3 is in saturation.

enter image description here

Assuming, for quick analysis sake, that the diodes and emitter-base junction each have 0.7V across, this leaves 0.7V across R5. The emitter current for Q2 is then:

$$I_{E2} \approx \dfrac{0.7V}{39 \Omega} = 18mA$$

Thus, the first thing you should is check to see if you do in fact have this. Measure the voltage across the R5 and use Ohm's law to calculate \$I_{E2}\$. If it is "in the ballpark", the bias circuit is working as designed.

without them, Q2 goes into saturation, and is basically bypassed - the amplification is done by Q3 alone

Q2 isn't configured as an amplifier in this circuit, it is an active load (current source) for Q3. Note that the voltage at the base of Q2 is effectively constant while the audio signal from Q1 is applied to the base of Q3.

Essentially, Q2 supplies an approximately constant current "down" out of the collector.


I've simulated this circuit in using a "real" simulator and it doesn't work well at all which doesn't surprise me for a number reasons. The output stage is highly non-linear but there's no DC or AC feedback around it. The collector voltage of Q3 is thus poorly controlled.

In fact, when I simulate the operating point, I find that Q3 is in saturation.

enter image description here

Assuming, for quick analysis sake, that the diodes and emitter-base junction each have 0.7V across, this leaves 0.7V across R5. The emitter current for Q2 is then:

$$I_{E2} \approx \dfrac{0.7V}{39 \Omega} = 18mA$$

Thus, the first thing you should is check to see if you do in fact have this. Measure the voltage across the R5 and use Ohm's law to calculate \$I_{E2}\$. If it is "in the ballpark", the bias circuit is working as designed.

without them, Q2 goes into saturation, and is basically bypassed - the amplification is done by Q3 alone

Q2 isn't configured as an amplifier in this circuit, it is an active load (current source) for Q3. Note that the voltage at the base of Q2 is effectively constant while the audio signal from Q1 is applied to the base of Q3.

Essentially, Q2 supplies an approximately constant current "down" out of the collector.


I've simulated this circuit with pSpice and it doesn't work well at all which doesn't surprise me for a number reasons. The output stage is highly non-linear but there's no DC or AC feedback around it. The collector voltage of Q3 is thus poorly controlled.

In fact, when I simulate the operating point, I find that Q3 is in saturation.

enter image description here

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