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Isn't the general expression for the resistance looking into the emitter
$$Re=\left(\frac{Rb}{1+β}+Rm\right)||\,(Ro+Rc)$$
So when the base is grounded with \$Rb\$ connected, we see:
$$Rm+\frac{Rb}{β+1}$$
and when it's open, we see
$$Ro+Rc$$ right?

I Meant that when we have an emitter degeneration stage looking into the emitter of the transistor what would we see if the Rb resistor goes to infinity (which it's nearly same as saying what's the resistance we see when looking into the emitter of the common base stage i think) I just wanted the general expression for this because there's some cases that this may happen in it and we can't say it's just Rm = Rè = 1/gm (and that's all what we can find on internet) and here's the schematic for the circuit

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    \$\begingroup\$ I believe the \$R_C\$ term is scaled according to the intrinsic gain of the transistor, \$g_mr_o\$. I suggest you review the common-gate amplifier properties on that. Specifically, the input resistance is what you are looking for. \$\endgroup\$
    – a360pilot
    Commented Sep 23 at 18:30
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    \$\begingroup\$ Please improve this question with a schematic showing the test circuit including the transistor symbol and resistor designators. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 23 at 22:16
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Spehro'speff'Pefhany I did you can see it now 😁😁👌 \$\endgroup\$
    – Alghaith
    Commented Sep 25 at 11:34

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You need to write a lot more. For example, what is \$R_m\$? Is it \$r_e^{\:'}\$? (I'm randomly guessing.) What does when it's open mean in the case of looking into the emitter, which implies a common base configuration to me.

I will choose to emphasize the looking into the emitter part and assume this is a common base arrangement. Perhaps the sum \$r_o\$ and \$R_{_\text{C}}\$ part of your question may arrive a little better for me when you write more. (I can kind of see, but if so I'm not sure why you are asking and it doesn't fly well with me.)

Avoiding capacitances, the small signal model looks something like this for common base:

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simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

The above assumes that the base is effectively AC-grounded, likely using a capacitor.

It includes the source impedance, \$R_{_\text{S}}\$. In your case, I would tend to assume you don't care about it and would set \$R_{_\text{S}}=0\:\Omega\$. But I'm keeping it to be more complete.

It also includes the bulk impedances for all three terminals, \$R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}\$, \$R_{\text{c}}^{\:'}\$, and \$R_{\text{e}}^{\:'}\$. You may want to just set \$R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}=0\:\Omega\$, \$R_{\text{c}}^{\:'}=0\:\Omega\$, and \$R_{\text{e}}^{\:'}=0\:\Omega\$. But it actually appears to me that your question implies \$R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}\ne0\:\Omega\$. So maybe you just aren't considering the other two?

It also includes the external collector and emitter resistances, \$R_{_\text{C}}\$ and \$R_{_\text{E}}\$. \$R_{_\text{C}}\$ is certainly important to know. But depending on what you care about (see following) it may be that \$R_{_\text{E}}\$ isn't important.

In the above case the impedance looking into the emitter will be \$R_{_\text{S}}+R_{_\text{E}}\vert\vert \:r_i^{\:'}\$, where \$r_i^{\:'}\$ may be closer to what you want to know about.

This diagram may help to see where we are at this point:

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\$r_i^{\:'}\$ will, of course, be \$R_{\text{e}}^{\:'}+r_i\$, where \$r_i\$ may be the actual value you are looking for.

If you want to exclude the bulk impedances, except for \$R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}=0\:\Omega\$, exclude \$R_{_\text{E}}\$, and set \$R_{_\text{S}}=0\:\Omega\$ then you will need to know \$R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}\$, \$r_\pi\$, \$r_o\$, \$g_m\$ and \$R_{_\text{C}}\$.

But as I said, I don't understand your writing well.

In any case, if you don't include the bulk collector and emitter impedances then: \$r_i=\frac{\left(R_{_\text{C}}+r_o\right)\,\cdot\,\left(R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}+r_\pi\right)}{R_{_\text{C}}+r_o+R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}+r_\pi\,\cdot\,\left(1+g_m\,\cdot\, r_o\right)}\$. If you do include them, but discount \$R_{_\text{S}}\$ and \$R_{_\text{E}}\$, then it is a little more complex: \$r_i^{\:'}=R_{\text{e}}^{\:'}+\frac{\left(R_{_\text{C}}+r_o+R_{\text{c}}^{\:'}\right)\,\cdot\,\left(R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}+r_\pi\right)}{R_{_\text{C}}+r_o+R_{\text{c}}^{\:'}+R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}+r_\pi\,\cdot\,\left(1+g_m\,\cdot\, r_o\right)}\$.

If you lift the grounded base, so that \$R_{\text{b}}^{\:'}\$ is floating, then the above fails. More so because \$v_\pi=0\$ and \$r_o\$ no longer applies since it models a basewidth effect that doesn't apply in the same way as before. In addition, without the AC grounding (capacitor?) at the base, you now have a DC biasing impedance to ground seen from the base, in addition. This is probably what really flummoxes me more about your question, as the DC base biasing impedance becomes dominant here.

Note: I'll stop at this point, because I really don't understand well the problem you are setting out. You need to write better and more. I will extend the answer (or remove it) when you clarify where you are headed. The intent up to this point is to get you to clarify your question.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Well it happens that you answered the question very excellently and useful sir thank you so much for taking ykur time in answering this question without the details you wanted \$\endgroup\$
    – Alghaith
    Commented Sep 24 at 17:51
  • \$\begingroup\$ But there is some thing i did not understand why is scaled by (1+gm . ro) is it the miller effect because of the gain of that stage? \$\endgroup\$
    – Alghaith
    Commented Sep 24 at 17:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ And when you said that when i leave the base floating the expression is no longer correct because ro goes to infinity since there os no biasing thus no Ic current right? Or there is another correct answer for it \$\endgroup\$
    – Alghaith
    Commented Sep 24 at 17:59
  • \$\begingroup\$ And One last question 😁😁 isn't that when looking from the emitter to the base we see ( Rè + Rb'/(β+1) ) not ( Rπ + Rb' ) because of the current gain ? \$\endgroup\$
    – Alghaith
    Commented Sep 24 at 18:19

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