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I’m trying to solve a diode circuit problem, and I'm asked to get the value of I1, I2, I3 and V3 and V1. I’m applying the equations considering an ideal diode with 0.75 V drop. The equations I'm getting are for both the mesh I put in the image:

(1) 5 - i1*1000 - 0.75 - i3*5000 = 0 (2) 10 - i2*1000 - i3*5000 = 0 (3) (this one I'm not sure it is right) i2 + i1 = i3

Solving, I obtain: i1 = -2.2 mA, I2 = 3.5 mA, I3 = 1.3 mA

The problem is: I’m checking the teacher solutions on the exam and they are: i1 = -1.4 mA i2 = 2.83 mA i3 = 1.43 mA

which is the equation im doing wrong?

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    \$\begingroup\$ You’ve shown current flowing from cathode to anode in the diode. Have another look at that and rethink what’s going on \$\endgroup\$
    – Frog
    Commented Oct 26 at 4:26
  • \$\begingroup\$ I2=I1+i3 and Vf = 650 mV +/- 100 mV at 1~2 mA ballpark \$\endgroup\$
    – D.A.S.
    Commented Oct 26 at 5:08

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Well, the very first thing I would do to provide a quick sanity check is to treat the two resistors on the left as a voltage divider and compute the Thevenin equivalent, which is \$V_{_\text{TH}}=\frac{25}{3}\:\text{V}\$ and \$R_{_\text{TH}}=\frac{25}{30}\:\text{k}\Omega\$.

This does mean that the diode is forward biased, so that's good.

This also means that the diode current should be \$I_{_\text{D}}=\frac{\frac{25}{3}\:\text{V}\,-\,5\:\text{V}\,-\,750\:\text{mV}}{\frac{25}{30}\:\text{k}\Omega\,+\,1\:\text{k}\Omega}=1.4\overline{09}\:\text{mA}\$.

This magnitude matches the teacher's solution quite well, suggesting the fuller solution details may also be correct.

So let's look at how I'd set this up (before I bother reading what you wrote) and see where I go with it. Then I'll compare, afterwards.

Here's what I'd do:

kvl1 = Eq( 10 - i2*1e3 - i3*5e3, 0 )          # KVL, left side
kvl2 = Eq( 5 - i1*1e3 + 0.75 - i3*5e3, 0 )    # KVL, right side
kcl3 = Eq( i3, i1 + i2 )                      # KCL, at joining vertex
solve( [ kvl1, kvl2, kcl3 ], [ i1, i2, i3 ] ) # solve it
{i1: -0.00140909090909091, i2: 0.00284090909090909, i3: 0.00143181818181818}

That's pretty close to the teacher's solution, though there is slight difference in the third significant place for one of the values.

Now, I'll look at your work. Hmm....

(1) 5 - i11000 - 0.75 - i35000 = 0

I've highlighted at least one problem. Compare with my own KVL2 above. You subtracted when you should have added. Note the polarity of the diode? The anode is more positive than the cathode, when it is on. (And it is.) So you need to add that value, not subtract it.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Oh! I notice the problem :O yeah right, the polarity of the diode will make my equation to add that voltage drop. Thanks you so much! \$\endgroup\$
    – psich
    Commented Oct 26 at 6:16
  • \$\begingroup\$ @psich No problem. :) Often, it's just little details like that. It takes practice to reduce these kinds of sign errors. (Never quite get to zero of them, though. So finding ways to cross-check is a never-ending part of the process.) \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 26 at 6:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ @psich Oh, I just noticed that you aren't selecting answers yet. You've only written two questions. But you have decent answers to your 1st question. So you might want to consider selecting one of those for the 1st question, if you feel either of them helped you enough. Just FYI. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 26 at 7:59
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Since the voltage 10V is higher than 5V, the diode D1 would be forward biased and current will flow from \$V_3\$ to \$V_2\$.

The direction of current \$I_1\$ would be in the opposite direction. Use -\$I_1\$ for current in the opposite direction. Assume that forward voltage drop across the diode is 0.7V.

You have two unknowns \$V_3\$ and \$V_1\$.

\$V_3\$ - \$V_1\$ = 0.7 Use the currents as \$I_2\$ going down and -\$I_1\$ going up, \$I_3\$ going down as in the diagram. Use KVL equations which include the 10V, 5V voltage sources and \$V_3\$ and \$V_1\$. With these, you can get currents in the branches.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Yeah. I noticed that, but the teacher wanted us to use the current flows given and then conclude if the direction is right or not. Thanks for your answer! \$\endgroup\$
    – psich
    Commented Oct 26 at 20:48
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I’d say that the diode voltage drop is in the opposite direction. Since the voltage drop is given in the forward direction and you are doing the voltage sum in the opposite way, you actually have to sum it.

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