# Calculate LED current when Vf is greater than source voltage

I'm planning on using an RGB LED in my project. $V_f$ is different for each die. My $V_{cc}$ is 3V.

For the red diode, $V_f=2V$ and $(I_f=20mA)$, therefore I've calculated:

$$R = \frac{3 - 2V}{0.02A} = 50 \Omega$$

The problem is that the green and blue diodes have a $V_f=3.3V$. From experience I know the LED's will work at 3V with a lower brightness (current), but I can't figure out what is the current under that scenario. If I try to use the same formula above:

$$I_{LED} = \frac{V_s-V_f}{R} = -\frac{0.3}{0} (!?!)$$

Any thoughts?

• If for the green and blue LEDs should be in the datasheet. May 4 '14 at 19:58

You really can't accurately predict the current in this sort of application. If you use the datasheet curves, you can guesstimate what it should be (roughly) but slight changes in supply voltage, in driver drop and changes in temperature (as well as part-to-part variations) will cause large changes in the current.

As you didn't grace us with a link to the part datasheet (assuming that a decent one even exists), I'll pull one at random (an Rohm SMLP36RGB2W3) off the interwebs and refer to it:

With this particular set of RGB LEDs, you can see that the RED LED is going to be easy. With a nominal 3V Vdd we can put zero ohms in series (leaving nothing for the driver) and the blue LED will conduct about 5mA. The green LED with zero ohms in series will typically only conduct about 2mA.

However if the supply voltage (with zero ohms in series) is increased or decreased, the blue LED will go from 1.5mA to more than the 10mA maximum. The green LED will go from way under 1mA (basically off) to more than 7mA. In this case, the green LED has a higher Vf than the blue, because its high-efficiency InGaN construction rather than the cheaper GaP.

If the green was GaP, it would probably be workable (over moderate temperature range and with a tightly regulated Vdd) but you're really in guessing (or at least empirical testing) territory rather than engineering territory. You certainly will not be able to get a stable "white" by combining RGB since the color balance will change radically with supply voltage and temperature.

• Sorry for the lack of datasheet. It's here: kingbrightusa.com/images/catalog/SPEC/APTF1616SEEZGQBDC.pdf. After your response I checked on the datasheet charts and I believe the brightness will be ok. I'm not after a perfect rendition of colors, but a way to get multiple colors to indicate states. May 4 '14 at 22:08

The Ohms law of $\dfrac{Vs - Vf}{I} = R$ only works when $V_s$ is higher than $V_f$.

While the datasheet for the led will tell you what $I_f$ should be when $V_f$ is 3V (look at If graph), it is not exact. As diodes vary from batch to batch, or even from diode to diode in a single batch, there are two ways to find out what the actual current is.

Since the $V_f$ and the $I_f$ of a diode are very closely paired, providing an exact level of one will provide an exact level of the other. So the first method is a Constant Current Source. Most common regulators can be put in Constant Current mode, and setting it to around 16mA with a pot should give you the Forward Voltage that matches 16mA. Adjust until the measured voltage is 3V exactly and you will know what the resistance of the pot is and conversely, the current.

The simpler method, use a ammeter/multimeter in current mode in series with the diode provided exactly 3V.