I am looking for supplier for RGB LEDs for an upcoming project RGB POV LED Globe. Normally I would go to my local electronics supply story, but this project requires lots (~1000) of LEDs and my local electronics store charges a premium for the LEDs, (@1.50 each)

I have done some searching online from a few retailers such as http://www.alibaba.com (~$0.19) or http://ledssuperbright.com ($0.35) or http://www.adafruit.com ($1.0) or http://www.sparkfun.com (~$0.6) or http://www.digikey.com (~$1.1)

I trust adafruit and sparkfun and have had good experiences from both of them in the past but I am worried that there is a such a huge range in price difference between each of these sites that I might be missing something critical.

Also I looked at other POV projects and some use diffuse others use clear LED. I'm not sure what type of LED I should use for this project. The MiniPov3 uses diffuse.

My questions are:

  • What make a good RGB LED?
  • What features should I be looking for in the data sheet for this type of project.
  • Should I use diffuse or clear LEDs on my RGB POV LED Globe project?
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    \$\begingroup\$ After reemrevnivek's answer, there is nothing left to say. Funny that you should post it here, I made a propeller display using 8-RGB LEDs just last week (my first experience youtube.com/watch?v=4RWoWv-n_pQ) These are fun and easy to work with. I think these are fun to work with and maybe you are overthinking. \$\endgroup\$
    – Rick_2047
    Commented Mar 22, 2011 at 4:18
  • \$\begingroup\$ @rick_2047 You are probably right, but I am investing a lot of money in to this project and if I can save my self any failed tests it will be worth it. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 22, 2011 at 6:42
  • \$\begingroup\$ BTW, failure is part of the process. And secondly, these are really expensive from these distributors. I can get them for .13USD in India and that is if I buy them in retail. And all of them are high quality. I don't know why are these so overpriced from the major vendors. \$\endgroup\$
    – Rick_2047
    Commented Mar 22, 2011 at 9:02

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Forewarning: You can do this the easy way, or the hard way. The easy way is to pick an RGB LED that has good stocking at all the major distributors, try it, and be happy.

The hard way is to learn a little bit about photometry, which is the study of measuring light, and then make your decision. No guarantees that the latter will produce better results, though. But, it's probably best to know a little background, so here we go. Warning: Long post.

Basic Criteria

The basic criteria for selecting an LED are, ignoring color for now:

  • Intensity/brightness
  • Viewing angle
  • Lens style (clear/diffuse/external)

From the top:


This is a measurement of how bright you want your LED to be, and is startlingly complex. For an RGB LED, you'll probably find it easiest to first specify the viewing area, and then select the number of lumens you need. This selection will probably be experimental, especially since you want to do it at Burning Man, which has a really bright environment.

There are two ways to measure intensity: Radiometrically and photometrically. The watt is a radiometric measurement for power, defined by the metric system in terms of electronics as:

$W = A^2 * \Omega $

In words, the power dissipated by one amp of current flowing through a one ohm resistance.

Photometric measurements define how bright a source appears to the eye. The candela (or, for LEDs, the millicandela or mcd) measures the intensity in a direction. The lumen is a measurement of power, and is defined as one candela over one steradian of area (a steradian is a cone about $64^o$ across). Both are weighted with respect to the radiometric units by the luminosity curve, which looks something like this (dotted black line):

luminosity curve

Notice that it peaks around 550nm, or the color green. What this means is that your red and blue colors need to have high wattage ratings to get even coloration. If you use the millicandella ratings (for a variety of viewing angles) or the lumen ratings (if you've already selected a set of similar viewing angles), you don't have to worry about this curve.

If you're still paying attention, don't worry, the rest is more straightforward and shorter.

Viewing angle

The viewing angle is the maximum inclination that you can have with respect to the LED and still see the color emitted. This is a function of the lens, and isn't always uniformly distributed. For a diffused (cloudy) lens, if you can see the lens, you can see the color, if only a little bit. The viewing angle is not necessarily this number; they're usually more realistic and only define the area which the lens is designed to illuminate. For a clear lens, optical properties of the lens will define the viewing angle more rigidly. Hint: It's not 180 degrees for the T 1 3/4 package (the standard 5mm LED you showed in most of your links - that's usually no more than $30^0$).

For a POV globe, you probably want a fairly wide viewing angle.

Lens Style

Lenses can be tinted or colorless. For an RGB LED, you probably want colorless. They can also be water-clear or diffused (cloudy). Your choice in this selection will depend on the viewing angle of the LEDs. A diffused lens will help to eliminate bright spots, but will also reduce the effectiveness of any focusing the lens is designed to do. If you get an LED with a spherical lens, it needs to be diffused, or you'll blind your users as it spins, and it will be hard to see in others.

You also need to decide whether you want an integrated or external lens. Some superbright LEDs will have an external lens which allows higher quality optics but costs more and requires more components. For this project, you almost certainly want an integrated lens.

Electrical Properties

Next, you need to consider the electrical properties:

  • Current, both nominal/test and maximum (Will be different for each color of an RGB LED)
  • Forward voltage $V_F$ (will be different for each color of an RGB LED)


An LED creates light by dissipating power across a semiconductor junction. Below a certain current, the electrons aren't boosted to the next shell, and you get no light. Above a certain current, you destroy your device. By modulating the (average) current between these two values, you can get varying degrees of intensity. This is a non-linear function with respect to light intensity, but you can get a more linear function by using a constant current and rapidly pulsing the LED on and off. This technique is known as pulse-width modulation, or PWM. If your PWM never exceeds a given duty cycle, and is sufficiently fast, you can set the constant current at which would, at steady-state, exceed the maximum power rating of your LED. This doesn't usually get you a brighter average, though.

You need to select LEDs whose current requirements are within the limits of your drive circuit and whose power requirements are sustainable using your chosen power source.

Forward voltage

The forward voltage will be different for each color in the LED. This just complicates the calculation of the current a bit. If you're using a resistor to set the current, and the LEDs are common-anode, you should probably select LEDs with similar forward voltages to minimize power losses in the resistors. Be aware that the forward voltage is a function of the forward current!

Standard stuff

Then, there are the generic properties that you need to select for any electronic device:

  • Package
  • Soldering temperature
  • Manufacturer/Supplier


You may be tempted to use a standard T 1 3/4 5mm dome package. Don't accept this unless you're sure that it's what you want. To get 4 leads under this package, you need small, tight holes (soldering and PCB manufacturing will be hard), and the optical properties are less than optimal.

There are a plethora of surface mount packages which are lower profile and lower weight (which is desirable if you want to spin your project) and which have high viewing angles without using diffused lenses.

Soldering temperature

LEDs are some of the most sensitive components to heat when soldering because of the optical requirements of their lenses and because of the unique semiconductors used to generate the light. Be careful if you're using anything but a temperature regulated soldering iron or oven for this.

Manufacturer and distributor

For a one-off project or prototype, Adafruit or Sparkfun products are fine, but (1) you'll pay a premium for their selection and endorsement and (2) you're out of luck if they drop the product. The hobbyist sites are fine if you're making a one-off product, but if you want to distribute plans, make sure a compatible LED is widely available. Otherwise, contact Cree, Avago, or Lite-On (or your favorite manufacturer) directly, or use a major distributor like Digikey or Mouser. You'll have better luck and get better prices by buying in bulk and skipping the middleman.


One of the most important factors to consider is color, but RGB LEDs basically define that for you. You do need to consider the relationships between each color in your selection, but this can usually be accounted for in software. For instance, the human eye detects green much better than it detects blue, and red LEDs are usually more efficient than blue.

In addition to the relative power between the colors, you need to consider the spectral information. Many manufacturers have different definitions of each color - Red might be any light with a wavelength between 629nm (an orangey red) and 660nm, green could be from 515nm to 565nm, and blue could be anywhere from 430nm to 470nm (a greenish blue). And that's just the nominal peak! This isn't a laser, so not every ray of light coming from it has the same wavelength -there is an irregular distribution of the wavelength for each color. A red LED will emit a tiny amount of blue light, and vice versa.

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    \$\begingroup\$ +1 for it being longer then I want to read with pretty headings and image \$\endgroup\$
    – Kellenjb
    Commented Mar 21, 2011 at 21:36
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Kellenjb - Not the reasons that I hoped it would earn upvotes, but I'll take it. :P \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 21, 2011 at 21:40
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    \$\begingroup\$ Note that you can diffuse your own LEDs just by lightly sanding the outside of the case. More of the light will bounce back into the LED and out through other walls when the walls are of a rough texture. Just a tip for if you accidentally get stuck with water-clear LEDs when you wanted diffused ones. \$\endgroup\$
    – Joe Mac
    Commented Mar 21, 2011 at 23:01
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Joe Mac - For large quantities (anything greater than 1, really) ou'll be much better off doing this chemically (either with an acid, like the original manufacturer would use) or by spraying with a clear paint or adhesive. Both methods are hacks, and both will reduce the light output. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 21, 2011 at 23:13
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Joe Mac - Really, any modification of individual components is probably best left to the manufacturer, who already has them on an assembly line. There's no reason that you should accidentally get stuck with a component: if your supplier screws up, a phone call should fix the situation. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 21, 2011 at 23:15

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