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Regarding MOSFET optocoupler relays like the Panasonic AQW212, am I correct in understanding that the capcitance between the terminals and ground when the switch is open ("off") is around 100pF when the potential across the terminals is small?

If you look at the datasheet for AQW212 it says it has low Coff but if you look at the chart that seems to not be the case. With a small voltage the capacitance rises sharply.

Consider the following example where the audio signal may be routed through a SS relay driven stepped potential divider like a volume control in the nearly off position:

I've been searching for a good pro-audio signal routing method that could work with somewhat arbitrary circuits like old mic preamps running on 24V or maybe even guitar tube amps that might switch 70V signals.

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simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

In this example, it so happens the circuit calls for a large resistance so as not to load the collector of a transistor amplifier perhaps. This arrangement conspires to produce high series resistance and low signal level which when coupled with the multiple drain / source capacitances of each device could result in high frequency loss.

Is this understanding correct? Or could a MOSFET based device be used to build something like a stepped attenuator?

I have also looked at devices like the Analog Devices iCMOS analog switches but these too have high junction capacitance. It seems the lower the on resistance, the higher the capacitance.

If only there were a mechanical relay with many positions like an old telephone exchange stepper switch but the size of a regular relay. Meaning a SP12T relay that can ratchet in either direction.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Why don't you just use a bunch of mechanical relays? \$\endgroup\$ – Spehro Pefhany Aug 3 '14 at 17:59
  • \$\begingroup\$ The 3db cutoff frequency of your example circuit is 1.6MHz, not 3.5KHz. \$\endgroup\$ – Bruce Abbott Aug 3 '14 at 18:24
  • \$\begingroup\$ @BruceAbbott How exactly are you arriving at 1.6MHz? \$\endgroup\$ – squarewav Aug 3 '14 at 19:18
  • \$\begingroup\$ @SpehroPefhany Relays are probably the best solution to this problem at this point. But unfortunately the path that the signal has to go through is potentially quite long. For a 4 bit stepped attenuator with 16 steps, the signal might have to travel from board to relay and back as many as 8 times (16 junctions). And relays are bulky. You need a DPDT (or DPST with one NO and one NC) for each bit. Even 4 super small relays like Panasonic TQ2 (14mm long) takes up a lot of board space. And you're throwing a lot of current around which increases the potential for switching noises. \$\endgroup\$ – squarewav Aug 3 '14 at 19:35
  • \$\begingroup\$ Here's my recommendation - explain what you are trying to do in more detail and you'll probably find you get a better/more appropriate answer. \$\endgroup\$ – Andy aka Aug 3 '14 at 20:52
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Using SSR or discrete FET switches for an audio attenuator is not the best idea when far better solutions exist. You should investigate the use of a digital pot for the attenuation core of the design. If you search at a site like http://www.mouser.com for digital pot you will find thousands of parts to pick from.

To eliminate the effects of capacitance on the wiper of the digital pot it is highly recommended to buffer the wiper of the pot directly into the high impedance input of an op-amp configured as a voltage follower.

Use of a higher total resistance digital pot can help to reduce loading on the source driving circuit.

To take care of the various types of source signals, that could be in a wide range of characteristics, I would recommend that you provide an input connector for each general voltage range of signal. Wire each of these input connectors to a suitable fixed input attenuator that scales the maximum input signal to be within range of the digital pot. Each scaled input would then be fed through a wafer style rotary input selector switch.

The selector switch output would then connect to the digital pot for further scaling based upon the actual signal level at the selected input. It would also be wise to use a very low capacitance diode clamp chip on the signal line going into the digital pot. This will help to protect the low voltage circuits (digital pot and voltage follower) if a user plugs a high voltage source signal into the incorrect input jack. The diode clamp device wants to one made with low forward voltage drop Schottky diodes and then connected into the GND and SUPPLY rails that define the operating range of the digital pot.

Depending upon the nature of the source signal attenuators it may be necessary to place some series resistance in the signal line before it gets to the clamp so as to limit the maximum current flow that could happen for incorrectly connected input signal selections.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ digipots have a limited voltage range and high wiper resistance (probably because of the capacitance of the mosfets exactly as described in the question). So they cannot be used with most existing circuit designs like some mic preamp where R2 in the feedback voltage divider is really small in the highest gain setting. And certainly they don't have the supply range for a piece of tube equipment. To use a digipot, you have to design the circuit around that part which greatly limits it's usefulness in an all-analog circuit that does potentially elaborate filtering and compression and the like. \$\endgroup\$ – squarewav Aug 3 '14 at 19:17
  • \$\begingroup\$ @ioplex - Clearly with your response you did not comprehend what all I wrote in my answer. \$\endgroup\$ – Michael Karas Aug 4 '14 at 0:17
  • \$\begingroup\$ I guess I just didn't communicate the question very well. I very seriously doubt digipots could be used successfully in a guitar tube amp tone stack for example. \$\endgroup\$ – squarewav Aug 4 '14 at 4:38

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