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This has been floating in my mind for a while, everything has a frequency. Like a dc-dc converter, my scope is 100 MHz(i know that's a bandwidth but it has the unit of frequency). I understand that an Astable 555 has a frequency which is the mark and space time based on the values of the cap and resistors. And then you have the use of band-pass filter which can filter different frequencies so what is this all about? How does a direct current have a frequency? And the relationship between bandwidth and frequency as they have the same units.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Direct Current can have a frequency because it didn't begin infinitely long ago & won't persist infinitely long into the future. It may possibly experience only one cycle ever, but more likely than not it will experience a number of on-off cycles over its effective "lifetime". That frequency may be random, or it may be pretty regular (switch on a power supply every day, switch it off every night). From one perspective, it may be thought of as having a frequency of 1/infinity Hz. \$\endgroup\$ – TDHofstetter Aug 31 '14 at 16:12
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Frequency is the inverse of time for repeating events. If a single cycle of your mains is 1/50 of a second in duration (0.02 seconds), then there will be 50 cycles in a second (1 / 0.02). We say the frequency is 50 Hz.
The unit for frequency is the Hertz (Hz). 1 Hz is equal to 1 cycle per second, an older name for it (cps). It's a convenient unit, even for very short cycles we use, with a prefix: MHz, GHz. For longer cycles (near or longer than 1 Hz) we sometimes use the minute as unit: a heart rate of 70 beats per minute (BPM), a metronome setting of 100 BPM.
Still longer cycles are often expressed as a period of time (1 / frequency).

Every system has its typical (range of) frequencies. A heartbeat will be around 1-2 Hz, and the resonance frequency of a trampoline is also in the order of 1 Hz. Radio waves have a broad range of frequencies: 30 kHz (for a corresponding wavelength of 10 km) is VLF (very low frequency), while the magnetron of a microwave oven "transmits" at 2.45 GHz. And while 30 kHz is low for radio, it's already well beyond what we acoustically can perceive.

A higher frequency (top track in the picture) of a signal will be shown on an oscilloscope as a faster repetition than a lower frequency (bottom track).

different frequencies

"Direct current" (DC) as a constant voltage has a frequency of 0 Hz.

Bandwidth indicates a range of frequencies, going from the lower limit to the higher. If your scope can handle signals from DC (0 Hz) up to 100 MHz, its bandwidth is 100 MHz - 0 Hz = 100 MHz.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ So if DC is 0Hz then how can it be electricity? if everything else has an electrical resonance but not DC? \$\endgroup\$ – Piotr Kula Aug 23 '11 at 21:36
  • \$\begingroup\$ @ppumkin - in AC the current flows back and forth, and the number of times it changes direction is the frequency. In DC the current flows continuously in one direction. \$\endgroup\$ – stevenvh Aug 24 '11 at 5:43
  • \$\begingroup\$ Is it possible to have a 0Hz radio wave? \$\endgroup\$ – Piotr Kula Aug 24 '11 at 7:05
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    \$\begingroup\$ @ppumkin - No. Your antenna forms a capacitor to it's surroundings and once the capacitor is charged (very quickly) the current flow stops, just like you would charge an ordinary capacitor. You need AC to keep current flowing out of the antenna, like you need AC to let current flow through a capacitor. \$\endgroup\$ – stevenvh Aug 24 '11 at 7:34
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    \$\begingroup\$ @ppumkin - Don't worry, nobody really knows what electricity is! We can generate electricity, and make electrical appliances, model electronics and such, but what electrical charge actually is nobody knows. :-) \$\endgroup\$ – stevenvh Aug 24 '11 at 8:04
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Frequency, in the generic sense, is the rate at which something repeats. Usually measured in "repetitions per second", or Hertz (Hz). My watch ticks at 1 Hz. I water my lawn at a rate of 0.00000386 Hz. And my car blinkers blink at about 0.5 Hz. That's it! Of course things get a little more complex when you consider what exactly is repeating. But "frequency" really is that simple.

A scope, or band pass filter, is usually rated in Hz and refers to the frequency of a signal that can (or can't) go through it. In this context, it is talking about a sine wave.

Something like a 555, or other clock signal type circuit, is talking about how often the signal switches.

The term "DC" is often abused, so don't take it too seriously. Most of the time it refers to a power supply that outputs a steady voltage. But it could also refer to anything that outputs a signal that is only a positive voltage. Or, it could refer to a signal that is a "mostly constant" voltage. But, if the signal is truly unchanging then it has a frequency of zero.

Bandwidth and frequency do have a relationship-- in much the way that a car and a baseball are related (they are both measured in miles per hour).

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    \$\begingroup\$ Wow I really thought it was going to be much more complicated than that. This might be why I found it difficult to get a direct definition for electronics. \$\endgroup\$ – Dean Apr 22 '11 at 0:14
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Dean - Almost any waveform can be generated by summing sines and cosines at various frequencies and amplitudes. The bandwidth is the highest frequency in the signal minus the lowest frequency (e.g. f1 = 10 Hz, f2 = 100 Hz, B = f2 - f1 = 90 Hz). The bandwidth of an amplifier or filter is typically defined by the 3-dB frequency (half-power point). \$\endgroup\$ – eryksun Apr 22 '11 at 1:58
  • \$\begingroup\$ @eryksun - I'd say "Any repeating waveform" instead of "Almost any waveform". \$\endgroup\$ – stevenvh Apr 22 '11 at 13:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ @stevenvh and @eryksun: This is a little beyond the scope of this question, but Google "additive synthesis". It's a method for creating arbitrary waveforms by adding a bunch of sine waves together. This link is good: soundonsound.com/sos/jun00/articles/synthsec.htm Make sure to read the "Now Let's Get Noisy" section at the end of that page. \$\endgroup\$ – user3624 Apr 22 '11 at 14:49
  • \$\begingroup\$ @stevenh - True, my use of the term 'generated' implies a countably finite number of sinusoids with non-infinitesimal magnitudes. In contrast, an aperiodic waveform has a continuous spectrum. I was actually hedging against the possibility of a pathological function that lacks a Fourier transform, not that I can think of an example or even how to go about constructing one. \$\endgroup\$ – eryksun Apr 23 '11 at 13:44
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As it stated in above answer the frequency is the measure for repetition of an event. As you asked more than one questions about frequency, let me describe what it means in different contexts.

Sine Wave

In this case, frequency is the number of positive (or negative) peaks in the signal in one second. Sine wave is an example of the waves associated with AC power supply. So, an AC supply with 60Hz frequency means that the sine wave of its voltage repeats itself 60 times per second. A DC signal (it does not change over time) is said to have frequency of 0 Hz.

Sine wave is a lot more useful and meaningful outside the AC power domain. Actually we can classify signals in two parts namely periodic (signals that repeat some pattern over time) and aperiodic (signals that do not repeat in time).

A sine wave is the most fundamental periodic signal. That is because it has only one frequency associated with it. We can represent all periodic and aperiodic signals using some combination of sine waves of different frequencies. A periodic signal is made of a fundamental frequency and harmonic frequencies. For example a square-wave with 100Hz frequency actually means it has a fundamental frequency of 100Hz and the harmonic frequencies (always integer multiple of fundamental freq) are 200Hz, 300Hz, 400Hz ... etc. The frequencies associated with aperiodic signals require bit more involved discussion, so I won't include it here.

Filters

An (electronic) filter is a device which literally "filters" frequencies. For example if a filter says it is a low pass filter (LPF) with cutoff freq of 1KHz, it means that any sine-wave coming at its input will reach the output if and only if it has frequency less than 1 KHz. So if we pass a square wave of 10Hz through this LPF, at the output we will only see the harmonics of square-wave which are less than 1000hz (100 harmonics).

If we do not include all (infinite for square wave) the harmonics (sine waves) and add them together with fundamental frequency sine-wave, we will not get a square wave. But, the resulting wave would be an approximation of square-wave. So, producing an accurate square wave of any frequency is practically impossible.

DC-DC converter

I think this your main topic of question, how a DC "thing" can have a frequency. Actually a DC-DC converter uses a square wave (essentially a switch turning on and off repeatedly) to convert one DC voltage (ex. 5V ) to another DC voltage (ex. 20 V). So, the frequency of switch which is used to perform this function (DC-DC conversion) is known as the frequency of DC-DC converter.

Bandwidth and frequency

Let us go back to the filter again. We just saw what an LPF does. there are other type of filters; high pass filter (HPF), band pass filter (BPF) and many more. Let us think about BPF. A BPF has a property that it allows only the frequencies (sine-waves) which are in a fixed range of values. A BPF with cutoff frequencies 100Hz and 5KHz, will pass only the frequencies in that range -i.e. band. So we can say that "bandwidth" of our filter is (5000 - 100 = 4900 Hz. Even an LPF can have bandwidth which is equal to cutoff frequency itself.

Bandwidth is a term used in lot more context other than filters. A more general and loose explanation is how fast a device can work (so if that device is a filter what is the upper cutoff of that filter, assuming we do not care about the lower cutoff).

Frequency in computers

I know you did not ask for this, but this is a right place to cover this topic also. What does it mean when you say I have a 3 GHz computer?

A computer has a CPU which performs all mathematical and logical operations using digital circuits. Each operation in CPU is divided into one or more instructions. These instructions are then processed into multiple stages. each stage in instruction processing takes some time and the stage that takes maximum time decides the frequency of CPU. so if a CPU stage that takes maximum time = 1ns (nano second = 0.000000001 second), then then we can run that CPU at 1GHz (1 / 1ns). This is a very basic explanation of a very complex concept, so it is not too accurate and differs across different CPUs.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ "For example if a filter says it is a low pass filter (LPF) with cutoff freq of 1KHz, it means that any sine-wave coming at its input will reach the output if and only if it has frequency less than 1 KHz." \$\endgroup\$ – LvW Sep 1 '14 at 6:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ It should be noted that this statement applies not to real filter circuits. It is a common misunderstanding that filters will "filter out" (ideally suppress) some frequency components. That`s not true. In the mentioned example, a frequency of 1 kHz will be attenuated by 3dB - higher frequencies will also path the lowpass but with an attenuation depending on the order of the filter (n*20 dB/dec). \$\endgroup\$ – LvW Sep 1 '14 at 7:05
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We're living in a sea of molecules and atoms etc, when a transmitter antenna creates a frequency wave, it actually does sth like a whiplash (simply put, NOT TECHNICALLY) to this sea of atoms and molecules, like a wave, and when we talk about frequency in a circuit, a wire, with electrical characteristics, we usually mean an Alternative Current, AC, as the name indicate, it alternates between positive and negative thus creating a sine wave and can be called a frequency.

Not much difference though with the TX transmission, when you generally look at them.

Imagine when a transmitter wants to send a signal, it sends a waving whiplash whether omni-directional or fan shape, it penetrates everything except ferrous materials, which redirect or reflect it depending on the material or the frequency.
Imagine again the whiplash, if you move your hands repeatedly and quickly you create a high frequency, and if you move it slowly, a low frequency.
Look at the whiplash, a quick move has shorter range, and a slow move has a longer range.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Please have a look at the other answers and some introductory textbooks about the physics of electricity. There are serious misunderstandings on your part, in basically every sentence. \$\endgroup\$ – DerManu Aug 31 '14 at 19:26

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