# Would output signal affect input signal when the opamp is saturating?

I have learned that opamp would be saturating when the output signal is too large.

My question is would the saturating output affect input signal, for example, change the amplitude of the input signal, cause input distortion or anything else? Thank you!

• Yes it really can but remember this site is not a discussion forum. Mar 25, 2015 at 12:28
• Can you show us an example of a case where "input distortion" would be an issue? Mar 25, 2015 at 12:43
• @DaveTweed: only any time input distortion would be an issue... like having it affect previous stages, having it amplify something on a bus, having it cause EMI to be emitted... You know, all those cases that apparently you never run into. Mar 25, 2015 at 13:37
• @Andyaka: sorry for that. But I am not posing a discussion. I just want to know the answer. Maybe next time I should pose a more detailed question. Mar 26, 2015 at 2:04
• @DaveTweed: Just as iAdjunct said, many different stages use the same input signal. If the saturated output of one stage would affect the input signal, then all the other stages would be affected. Mar 26, 2015 at 2:08

Yes, in any case where there is feedback that touches the input (many cases such as inverting amplifiers, Sallen-Key filters and so on) and the source impedance is greater than zero (all real cases), you will have some effect if the output saturates.

The simplest example is probably an inverting amplifier- say you have a gain of -1 with two 5K resistors, and a source impedance of 100 ohms.

When the amplifier is not saturated the input "looks" like a 5K resistor to ground, so the voltage from the source (taking the internal resistance into account) is simply 5000/5100 times the unloaded output voltage. So it's attenuated by ~2% but no distortion if the amplifier output is following exactly. Now if amplifier saturates, it appears as a 10K resistor to the saturated output voltage, so the slope of the output increases a bit (to ~1% attenuation) and you have a point of inflection and some distortion.

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

• Thank you for your answer! But why would it be 10kohm to the saturated output? Do you mean the virtual ground does not work at this time? Besides, I still can not understand why and how saturated output causes input to distort? Mar 26, 2015 at 2:02
• Once the amplifier saturates it's no longer a virtual ground, so the voltage drop across the 100 ohm internal resistance with increasing input voltage magnitude decreases in magnitude of slope. That is distortion as measured at the node IN above. Mar 26, 2015 at 5:50

With a feedback amplifer -- a normal Op Amp circuit --, the feedback is distorted when the output is distorted. The feedback is fed back into the input, so the input is distored when the output is distorted. And the output is distored when the Op Amp saturates.

An Op Amp itself, without any surrounding circuit, is a multi-stage amplifier. When it saturates, it could be any stage of the amplifier that saturates first. It could be the input stage. It could be that what you see as "output saturation" is "input saturation", and you have a "distorted input signal" because the input is saturated.

Or it could be an intermediate stage that saturates first, causing loading on the input stage, pulling the bias off, and causing "input distortion".

It could even be that your output distortion is pulling down the power lines, and causing supply interference.

Any case of input distortion could (and probably would) be accompanied by actual input impedance modulation. And if you have any source impedance, then when the actual input impedance is being distorted, the input signal will be distorted too.

Of course, it is not normal to use an Op Amp in an open-loop configuration. They aren't designed for that, and aren't used for that. Normally, you see input signal distortion both directly, because the feedback signal is distorted, and indirectly, because the apparent input impedence depends on the gain.