I want to create an audio amplifier that powers itself one when it detects audio coming in. I've found a low power IC that can signal when audio is present: NJM2072.

I figure I could use that switch to throw a relay or similar to send power to the amp.

The trick is that the amp designs I've been looking at require ~12 volts and will generally suck a lot of power. The NJM2072 takes 7V max and I'd like it to consume as little power as possible. Ideally, however, I'd like them both powered from the same wall-wart.

I could use a step down converter to convert the 12V line to something lower, I presume. However, it is my understanding that voltage regulators like that aren't known for being efficient. It defeats the purpose of powering down the amp if the audio detector is going to suck a lot of energy.

I should note that I am a circuitry enthusiast with only modest knowledge. I still don't have a firm grasp of power, efficiency, and voltage stepping.

Edit: Since folks are curious, I am thinking of an amp along the lines of https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9612, though I am by no means settled on that. It will be a modest power amp either way.

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    \$\begingroup\$ (1) 12 V, 1 A wall warts are quite common and will give you 12 V x 1 A = 12 W maximum. Is this enough for your amplifier? (2) If you choose an amplifier with a low quiescent (when it's quiet) current you may be able to avoid the NJM2072. (3) A voltage regulator loses some energy as heat but the NJM2072 only consumes about 1 mA, which at 12 V would be 12 mW and would use 0.1 units of electricity per year - a couple of cents. If the voltage regulator was only 50% efficient it would be still < 10c per year. (4) The output transistors are low current. They won't switch a relay directly I suspect. \$\endgroup\$
    – Transistor
    Oct 3 '15 at 19:41
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    \$\begingroup\$ Step Down Converters usually refer to switching buck converters, which have efficiency between 75 to 90%. That's highly efficient in most cases. It's Linear regulators that have a lower efficiency (when the load is higher). \$\endgroup\$
    – Passerby
    Oct 3 '15 at 20:02
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    \$\begingroup\$ That amp use a STA540; typical and respectively maximum idle current is 80mA and 150mA in the datasheet of that. So I guessed about right in that regard :-) I should say that with the heatsink that that kit comes with you probably won't get more than 10-15W sound out before it heats up too much. You'll need a better heatsink to use it as boombox. (The heatsink is rather big actually, I didn't look closely enough at the pic.) \$\endgroup\$
    – Fizz
    Oct 3 '15 at 20:15

The NJM2072 consumes about 0.5mA (except when it's switching). The dissipation formula for a linear regulator is trivial (like that of a resistor): voltage drop times current. So 0.5mA times (12-7 volts) = 2.5mW (that's milliwats). Very little power blown away on linear regulator that way. "Little" here is of course relative to what the power stage might consume. But the NJM2072 itself at 7V consumes 3.5mW.

If you really want uberlow power loss on the regulator, use a switching (buck) regulator; but it may introduce noise in the system. But you can't reduce the total loss below that of the NJM2072 anyway. Without knowing more of your power considerations vs. (potential) noise concerns, I can't say which is better for this application. But a linear regulator is easy to use and cheap... so if you have unclear requirements try that first.

UPDATE: there's another issue here that regulators typically require a minimum load current to keep... regulating... For example, the LM317L (a popular part) requires 3.5mA load, so not terribly suitable in this case; we'd increase power consumption about 7-10 times vs. what it could be with a better regulator. These generally get advertised as "micropower" or "ultra-low quiescent current" or similar, so those are keywords to search for. If you do a parametric search on a vendor site, they might not have the quiescent current among the parameters, but the max output current is proportional with this, so search for those with max output current of < 50mA. A potential issue with DYI is that such spiffy regulators tend to be surface-mount only. There are however some such regulators that are still in DIP, e.g. MAX666, with a quiescent current of microamperres.

After reading transistor's comment... I hope you did measure (or look up) the quiescent actually blown away on your power amp. It can be non-trivial. Quoting figures from my head, a TDA2030 is about 50mA and LM1875 around twice that. (The datasheet of the latter even prohibits turning it on without a heatsink, because it dissipates at least 1W idle.) As for the relay driving issue, that's a real concern, the NJM2072 will not switch that by itself (because it has only 3mA output), but you can use a MOSFET instead of the relay. This needs to be sized depending on the [max] load current of the power amp, so I need more info before I can suggest something in that regard.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Thanks! I've added an example amp. It won't be huge on power, but I've not built it yet, so I have nothing to measure. \$\endgroup\$ Oct 3 '15 at 20:03
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    \$\begingroup\$ @davemankoff: head's up: actually I forgot to include one thing in the analysis: in order to stay in regulation most regulators have minimum current required. For the LM317L that's 3.5mA typiacl (and worst case 5mA)... so too much for what you target. I don't normally build super-low power things myself, so I forgot about that. You need to shop for a regulator that has low[er] minimum regulation current. I don't know a part off the of my head... that will also be hand-solderable. (Very low power stuff tends to be surface mounted.) \$\endgroup\$
    – Fizz
    Oct 3 '15 at 21:12
  • \$\begingroup\$ I actually have a small diy reflow oven, so everything's an option. Thanks for the heads up. \$\endgroup\$ Oct 3 '15 at 21:28
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    \$\begingroup\$ @davemankoff: I found one in DIP, and added some tips for finding more (in any package); see updated text. \$\endgroup\$
    – Fizz
    Oct 3 '15 at 21:43

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