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I have a customer who had an audio system setup in his business a couple months ago, and he's had some issues with it.

The relevant bits are that one of the original amplifiers blew upon initial install almost immediately, he tells me. Upon investigation, I've found that he's using an AudioSource AMP-100 amplifier, which is rated for 60W @ 4Ω or 50W RMS @ 8Ω according to the specs. His speakers appear to be 12Ω speakers (or higher), as best I can tell. (I measured the resistance of the speakers, and from the discussion I had in a chat room with a colleague, it appears that from the measured resistance of 9.6Ω, his speakers are somewhere in the ball-park of 12-16Ω. Obviously this is not a true value, but it's a good estimate. I don't have any actual data on the speakers themselves, he no longer has the boxes and they are ceiling mounted.)

Obviously these speakers have a much higher impedance than the amplifier is rated for, so could this be why the original amp failed immediately? Is there something I'm missing here? (I'm not an audio or A/V engineer, but from my understanding mismatching these values could potentially have significant negative impacts.) He currently has one of these running four other speakers in the building. (They are all wired into the same positive/negative contact set on the back of the unit. As best I can tell, they are wired all in parallel.)

I'd love to use the existing amplifier setup and just wire the additional two speakers into the "B" output if possible, but I'm not sure if I should replace that amplifier with something rated in the 8-16Ω range (and probably a higher wattage).

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    \$\begingroup\$ AFAIK, commercial audio power amplifiers are fine driving somewhat higher impedance speaker loads. However, you say that the existing amplifier already has 4 parallel speakers. Assuming they are 12-16Ω, then 4 are 3-4Ω, and an extra pair of speakers might be too much load. \$\endgroup\$
    – gbulmer
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    \$\begingroup\$ @gbulmer Yes, they are parallel. That I can confirm. That would also explain why they work as expected on the existing amplifier. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 19:16
  • \$\begingroup\$ It's probably not possible to use the "B" output because the same amp is connected to both "A" and "B", through the selector switch. If the amp is blown, neither output will work. \$\endgroup\$
    – AaronD
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 20:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ @AaronD I meant on the amp that works. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 23:42

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"Obviously these speakers have a much higher impedance than the amplifier is rated for, so could this be why the original amp failed immediately?"

NO it cannot. If it would be a problem then such an amplifier would also fail when you would operate it with no speakers installed. That would be plain silly. Audio amplifiers have a voltage output (low impedance) so only a very low impedance could cause it to fail. But almost all modern amplifiers can handle loads of 4 ohms or higher. Also, most modern amplifiers have some form of overload protection so it would just shut off.

OK, it appears there are four 16 ohm speakers in parallel. This would give a total impdedance of 4 ohms. That would be OK if the speakers are indeed 16 ohms. But if they are bit lower in impedance then the combined impedance will be below 4 ohms and for some amps this can be a problem.

A solution might be to instead of switching the 4 speakers in parallel, to make 2 pairs of 2 in parallel and put those 2 pairs in series. Then the total impedance will be around 8 ohms, that should not give any problems.

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    \$\begingroup\$ That amp looks pretty fishy "50 Watts RMS @ 8 Ohms 60 Watts @ 4 Ohms". How does that work? It appears that the gotcha is that the 60 Watts @ 4 Ohms are not RMS but "music power" or something like that. I would not trust that amp to drive 4 ohm loads. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 1:43
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"...audio system setup in his business..." "...and they are ceiling mounted..." This sounds like a good candidate for a 70V distribution system. This is different from a simple amp->speaker arrangement, with somewhat unique pitfalls. I don't know if you actually have that or not from the details you provided, but I would not call it unreasonable.

First-off, the reason for the 70V name is because the peak voltage across the distribution wires is absolutely limited to 100V. A sine wave with 100V peak is pretty close to 70V rms, hence the name.

There are modern amps that can drive these lines directly, but 1) older amps, 2) amps based on older designs, and 3) cobbled systems using parts that were not designed for this often use a transformer to step up from the amp itself to the 70V line(s). The speakers almost invariably have individual step-down transformers to match their own individual impedances.

Just like any other component, transformers have limits, and they behave differently outside of those limits. Where an amp may clip off the peaks leaving flat spots with harsh corners where there used to be nice-sounding curves (along with potentially weird recovery artifacts), and where a speaker may distort badly or even tear itself out of its suspension, a transformer will saturate. What this means is that the magnetic core cannot be magnetized any more and any additional volume is effectively short-circuited. This is made worse by 1) loud signal and 2) light load. #2 is somewhat counter-intuitive until you consider that the load current counteracts the source current to reduce the core's magnetization.

If you have a 70V system with a transformer, then it's possible that that's what happened. But I don't know for sure that you even have one; only suspect with good reason.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Whether the 70V (or 100V in Europe) system is worth the hassle depends on the distance to the speakers. Which hasn't been stated here. Also, you're not really answering most of his question (about matching amp/speakers and whether that can cause stuff to blow up). And the 50W/ch amp he has most likely can't directly drive the 70V line to any appreciable volume. It also has no 70V output/transformer built-in. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 1:35
  • \$\begingroup\$ That was the point of mentioning cobbled systems using parts that were not designed for this. There may still be a transformer hiding somewhere that this amp was not meant to drive. Or it may actually be direct to multiple speakers. I've seen that done as well. I was just explaining one possible failure mode given the information provided. \$\endgroup\$
    – AaronD
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 2:50

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