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I bought a DIY Kit off ebay (the board says www.icstation.com ICSK061A), and lo an behold, it does not work. I could not figure out what the trouble was, so i simulated it in LTSpice, but i got no nearer to a solution. an image of the circuit What happens if I apply the lowest acecptable Voltage (3V) is that Q1 gets really hot. Nothing else happens, not matter what happens at Rt. In LTSpice, I had problems determining how to simulate the LS (which actually is a beeper), so i left it out, which might be a problem... I figured the 'on' state of the LED would require Q3 to switch on, so i played with the resistances of the components i used for Rt and Rp, but while i managed to simulate the Q1=hot case (power disspiation in Q1 >500mW), i never got Q3 to budge. Would anybody be so kind as to advise whether the circuit is at fault, or if i just messed up the soldering, and simulating? (btw: the Rp that was included in the kit is a 1k Pot, not a 10k as listed.) Here's a recreation of the LTSpice model (couldn't figure out how to attach LTSpice files):

schematic

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Add at least resistor for the load in simulation matching the impedance of the buzzer; it should have something printed on it.. An inductor would be better, but its value may be less obvious to pick. \$\endgroup\$ – Fizz Oct 25 '15 at 19:41
  • \$\begingroup\$ What's the cold resistance of Rt? \$\endgroup\$ – EM Fields Oct 26 '15 at 12:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ Cold (room temp) resistance is about the 900 Ohms I put in the scheme. \$\endgroup\$ – loonquawl Oct 26 '15 at 20:33
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The kit's schematic is wrong, and and if it's wired up to follow the schematic, the PCB will be bad.

  1. R2 needs to go between the collector of Q1 and the base of Q2.

  2. The wire going from R2 to the collector of Q3 needs to be eliminated.

  3. D1 and the beeper need to be connected in parallel, with the + side of the beeper connected to 3 volts and the otherr side connected to Q3 collector.

  4. Check the current through the LED. If it's more than specified, you'll need to add some resistance in series with the LED.

Here's the schematic, and here's how it works:

RT1 is an NTC thermistor, and in conjunction with RV1, (a 10k pot wired as a rheostat) comprise a voltage divider controlling the voltage on Q1's base.

As the ambient temperature rises, RT1's resistance falls, eventually getting the base of Q1 close enough to +3 volts to start turning it off.

When that happens, the current through R1 will start falling, reducing the voltage/current available to drive Q2's base.

That'll cause Q2 to turn off, which will cause it to stop shunting the current through R3 to ground and allow it, instead, to flow through Q3's base-emitter junction which will force Q3 into saturation.

When that happens, the LED and the beeper will be, essentially, connected across the 3 volt supply, which will turn them both fully ON.

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And, finally, here's the LTspice circuit list with a PMOSFET simulating the NTC thermistor:)

Version 4
SHEET 1 880 680
WIRE -336 -176 -464 -176
WIRE -208 -176 -336 -176
WIRE -16 -176 -208 -176
WIRE 192 -176 -16 -176
WIRE 352 -176 192 -176
WIRE 464 -176 352 -176
WIRE -336 -144 -336 -176
WIRE 464 -96 464 -176
WIRE 352 -80 352 -176
WIRE 192 -64 192 -176
WIRE -208 -48 -208 -176
WIRE -336 -32 -336 -64
WIRE -256 -32 -336 -32
WIRE -336 16 -336 -32
WIRE 352 16 352 -16
WIRE 464 16 464 -16
WIRE 464 16 352 16
WIRE -16 32 -16 -176
WIRE 352 32 352 16
WIRE -464 64 -464 -176
WIRE -208 80 -208 48
WIRE -80 80 -208 80
WIRE 192 80 192 16
WIRE 288 80 192 80
WIRE 192 112 192 80
WIRE -208 128 -208 80
WIRE -336 144 -336 96
WIRE -16 160 -16 128
WIRE 32 160 -16 160
WIRE 128 160 112 160
WIRE -16 192 -16 160
WIRE -464 304 -464 144
WIRE -336 304 -336 224
WIRE -336 304 -464 304
WIRE -208 304 -208 208
WIRE -208 304 -336 304
WIRE -16 304 -16 272
WIRE -16 304 -208 304
WIRE 192 304 192 208
WIRE 192 304 -16 304
WIRE 352 304 352 128
WIRE 352 304 192 304
WIRE -464 368 -464 304
FLAG -464 368 0
SYMBOL pnp -80 128 M180
WINDOW 0 64 66 Left 2
WINDOW 3 41 34 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName Q1
SYMATTR Value 2N3906
SYMBOL npn 128 112 R0
SYMATTR InstName Q2
SYMATTR Value 2N3904
SYMBOL res -32 176 R0
SYMATTR InstName R1
SYMATTR Value 15k
SYMBOL res 176 -80 R0
WINDOW 0 -41 46 Left 2
WINDOW 3 -49 76 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName R3
SYMATTR Value 6.8k
SYMBOL res 128 144 R90
WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R2
SYMATTR Value 39k
SYMBOL npn 288 32 R0
SYMATTR InstName Q3
SYMATTR Value 2N3904
SYMBOL res -224 112 R0
SYMATTR InstName RV1
SYMATTR Value 10k
SYMBOL LED 336 -80 R0
WINDOW 0 -20 -1 Left 2
WINDOW 3 -97 63 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName D1
SYMATTR Value NSCW100
SYMBOL res 448 -112 R0
SYMATTR InstName R7
SYMATTR Value 100
SYMBOL Misc\\battery -464 48 R0
WINDOW 0 12 94 Left 2
WINDOW 3 8 15 Left 2
WINDOW 123 0 0 Left 2
WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName BT1
SYMATTR Value 3V
SYMBOL res -352 -160 R0
SYMATTR InstName R4
SYMATTR Value 1000
SYMBOL res -352 0 R0
SYMATTR InstName R5
SYMATTR Value 1000
SYMBOL voltage -336 128 R0
WINDOW 3 24 96 Invisible 2
WINDOW 123 0 0 Left 2
WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName V1
SYMATTR Value PULSE(3 0 0 10 10 1U 0 1)
SYMBOL pmos -256 48 M180
SYMATTR InstName Q_Rt1
SYMATTR Value FDR840P
TEXT -338 336 Left 2 !.tran 30 uic
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  • \$\begingroup\$ Makes sense to me +1 \$\endgroup\$ – Andy aka Oct 26 '15 at 11:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you very much! It just took a cut lead, and some judicious application of free flying wire to make it work according to your circuit. And this one i also understand, which is a huge bonus :-). If it is ok with you, i would share this errata with the manufacturers/distributors. Only with your permission, of course. \$\endgroup\$ – loonquawl Oct 26 '15 at 20:24
  • \$\begingroup\$ You're welcome, and no problem with setting them straight. Go for it! :) \$\endgroup\$ – EM Fields Oct 27 '15 at 0:52

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