Is there a way to keep a stepper motor pushing without a given rpm? I have a large stepper motor that I want to assist another motor with as much torque as it can. The other motor is a small 9hp single cylinder four-stroke engine, the stepper would be connected to the crankshaft of the small engine. The assistance would be triggered by user input to a stepper driver I'm going to create. The stepper would be driven with as much power as I can supply it. Its not a situation of "how much power do i need" as "how much power can I get with what I have" The numbers I've been given put the stepper anywhere between 4 and 8 hp. Its actually only 12steps per rotation. My idea is that each time the motor reaches the powered step it would automatically activate the next step thereby keeping a constant torque. The issue I have with my own idea is that I wont know Which step is next. Is there some signal the micro controller can sense on the coils to indicate which step the shaft is at? Would a shaft position sensor be able to handle the nearly 4000 rpm?
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\$\begingroup\$ I find this question quite hard to understand. You have probably thought about this so hard, that much of it seems clear and obvious to you. So let me ask some questions. There will be two motors connected to the same shaft? You want to power the stepper (S) to help the other motor (OM)? Is the OM an electric motor? How can anything discover when the OM needs assistance? Is that purely from shaft position? How can anything discover how much extra torque S needs to supply? Why is OM not able to supply enough torque? Why not simply drive the system with stepper S? \$\endgroup\$– gbulmerOct 29, 2015 at 3:29
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\$\begingroup\$ what sort of motor is the other motor? how have you concluded that constant torque is the solution? \$\endgroup\$– Jasen Слава УкраїніOct 29, 2015 at 3:30
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\$\begingroup\$ The other motor is a small 9hp single cylinder engine, the stepper would actually be connected to the crankshaft of the small engine. The assistance be triggered by user input to a stepper driver I'm going to create. The stepper would be driven with as much power as I can supply it. Its not a situation of "how much power do i need" as "how much power can I get with what I have" Thanks for your help guys. \$\endgroup\$– Jesse QuisenberryOct 29, 2015 at 3:50
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\$\begingroup\$ Is the stepper motor large enough to provide meaningful assistance to a 9 hp internal combustion motor? It must be a fairly large and powerful stepper motor. \$\endgroup\$– user57037Oct 29, 2015 at 3:52
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\$\begingroup\$ The numbers I've been given put the stepper anywhere between 4 and 8 hp. Its actually only 12steps per rotation. \$\endgroup\$– Jesse QuisenberryOct 29, 2015 at 3:53
1 Answer
I assume this is a 2-stroke engine.
So you want to use the stepper to deliver power, and hence maintain a relatively constant angular velocity as the power stroke finishes, and continue through compression until the IC engine fires and generates power again.
That should be two fixed points on each rotation, though it might take a bit of care finding where those points are (hence, partly, my comment lower-down about using a high-resolution sensor)
You could sense those positions with two Hall switches and magnets attached to the shaft. That is how some motor vehicle engines sense shaft position.
Hall effect sensors should be good for more than 1000 rps, e.g. 60,000 rpm.
Most reasonable microcontrollers could track 4,000rpm with much better than 0.1% accuracy.
However, driving the stepper, with only 12 steps might be tricky to set up, and drive. 12 steps is 30 degrees per step, which is quite a lot compared to the motor's cycle. This sounds more like a BLDC motor than a stepper motor.
Even with 8 step micro-stepping, the angle is quite big. AND, 8hp is about 6kW+, which is quite a lot of power to switch and control.
Further, to maintain near-maximum torque, the movement of the magnetic field needs to track the motor's rotation reasonably accurately. I'd be tempted to go for 'overkill' and use a high resolution rotation sensor. That might be Hall Effect, like something from AustriaMicroSystems (AMS), or something optical.
Edit:
Texas instruments (TI) have some useful documentation and videos on 'Feld Oriented Control' (FOC) for BDC motors which may help. A web search will find this stuff.
TI have some affordable (sub $100) development boards for low-power (10W?) control too, as does ST Micro, and I'm sure, others. There are 'fast/easy start development kits' for motor control. I haven't used them, but they claim to have control software 'ready to go'.
Summary:
Sensing the shaft position for the IC engine might be a relatively easy part of the project.
