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Very new to audio hardware so please bear with me :) What I wanted to do was make a simple unit that takes a mic input, mixes it with audio playing from the headphone jack of an iPod/iPad/etc and spits it out to a self-amplified speaker.

Modified a circuit I found online to mix the mic with the left channel and have what's in the attached image. I'm just using basic electrolytic caps and 1% resistors.

The issue is that there's a high pitched noise coming out the speaker at all times, and seems to depend on the pot value from the mic preamp. The higher the mic volume, the worse the noise. Cranking the volume down to 0 causes the noise to reduce considerably, but not disappear.

I assume there's some noise being generated somewhere in the preamp stage and being forwarded on. It happens even with the mic disconnected and the closed circuit jack dropping the input to ground.

The OP Amps are RC4580. I started out powering it from a 9V cell running through a MAX1044 to generate the -9V. Figuring power supply noise was a potential culprit, I pulled the MAX1044 out of the equation and used a second 9V cell to generate the -9V rail, with no improvement. In fact, the two new cells I used had slightly higher voltage than the original, so it was even worse to listen to

Sound quality isn't of much concern to me. If I could get something basically tolerable, it would be just fine, but the hiss makes it pretty difficult. Aside from the hiss, though, it does indeed amplify the mic and mix with the audio at appropriate levels.

Any pointers would be much appreciated!

NOTE: Missing feedback resistor on the preamp is 100k, same as the others.

Schematic

EDIT: Added 0.1uF ceramic bypass caps to + and - inputs on op amps and switched the MAX1044 to another 9V cell and it's reduced the noise a fair bit, but it's still there.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Can you extensively simplify this question to avoid the family history stuff and also what is the really important value of the feedback resistor on the mike amp? You don't need to describe the circuit if you have drawn it - all this puts folk off answering. \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Dec 16, 2015 at 10:47
  • \$\begingroup\$ I'd rather just close the issue then, if you're not interested in reading it enough to help.The so called 'family history' was just mentioning the intended use case so I didn't get anyone focused on telling me to swap out little things that might improve audio quality a bit when really I just want to remove the hiss. I could care less about great or subpar audio quality. Yes, the mic resistor was accidentally missed, it's \$\endgroup\$
    – Clancy
    Dec 16, 2015 at 18:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ Right, comments have a max length... ...missed, it's 100k like the others. Describing the circuit was just to let you know what I thought the circuit should do, in case I was off base. In any case, can close this issue, as I asked in another forum and actually got useful help there. Instead of wasting time on this, you can go help someone else that didn't ask wrong. \$\endgroup\$
    – Clancy
    Dec 16, 2015 at 19:01
  • \$\begingroup\$ What's the mic? Is it one of those electret's that need a bias voltage? I don't like the polarized caps.. but that would give distortion and not a hiss. Is the hiss feedback from the speaker? Is there gain in the first stage? (what's the feedback R?) The hiss might be pick-up from stuff in the room... move it around and see if the hiss gets worse some places. (maybe a metal box?) (maybe try two polarized caps back to back?) \$\endgroup\$
    – George Herold
    Dec 16, 2015 at 21:33
  • \$\begingroup\$ Dynamic mic. Don't think it's the mic, though, as if I unplug it (closed circuit jack grounds the input) I still hear the hiss. Missed the feedback resistor in the diagram. It's 100k, same as the others. I tried putting some bypass caps (0.1uF ceramic on each positive and negative pin) on the op amps and that, coupled with switching from the charge pump to a 9V battery seems to have reduced the noise to a barely tolerable level. Wondering now if it's just general system noise from sloppy wiring to the jacks/pot. \$\endgroup\$
    – Clancy
    Dec 17, 2015 at 20:15

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Two things pop out:

  1. You don't have a capacitor across each battery. This is likely the problem. Put something like a 470 µF 16 V cap across each power feed where it enters the board.

    I'm guessing that you are getting feedback via the power feed. This was reinforced when you mentioned that adding bypass caps made it better, but didn't solve the problem. The batteries have too much impedance at audio frequencies, so a little change in current draw in one section can make a signal in another. The caps across the batteries are to decrease the impedance of the power supply

  2. Electrolytic caps are unsuitable here. All your signals are centered around 0V. There is no average bias on any of the caps, so the signals across them will be both positive and negative. That's bad for electrolytics, and bad for the signal since electrolytics don't have symmetric electrical properties between positive and negative voltages applied to them.

There may also be issues particular to the opamp, but without a link to the datasheet I can't tell. No, I'm not going to chase down the datasheet to answer your question. It's your job to do that and then give us a link to it.

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