# Is a “self-bootstrapping” zero-crossing AC power switch possible?

As a follow-up to this prior question I'm looking for a zero-crossing mains (120V) power switching solution to mitigate the bounce-related EMI I'm getting using the "stock" traditional ON/OFF toggle switch connected directly to the step-down transformer.

In the abstract, what I'm looking for is this:

As I search on the web, I haven't come across anything so far that doesn't require a separately powered "control" circuit, with its own 24V (or whatever) DC power supply.

What I envision is something like one of those dimmer switches that fits into a wall junction box and takes whatever power it needs directly from the mains (without needing a transformer of its own).

Is there such a thing? I vaguely sense I just haven't found the right search term yet. I've been using "zero crossing triac circuit".

• A simple TRIAC circuit can work, the issue is that the control part of the circuit is basically a capacitor dropper with some resistance and perhaps clamp and/or a diac trigger and so getting the control signal in, working on it, probing, etc safely are all concerns. It is common to put an optocoupler in there (in fact a triac-output one can substantially simplify driving your power triac) but then you need a power supply to drive the isolated side of the opto. It is not clear that soft starting will solve your observed problem anyway, but another soft-start mechanism is an NTC thermistor. – Chris Stratton Apr 3 '16 at 2:58
• Thanks for this comment Chris, it pointed me in the direction of transformer inrush current, which I suspect plays as big a part in the spikes as the switch bounce :) Over the weekend I came up to speed on thyristors and got a triac switch breadboarded. It eliminates the bounce, but there's still significant spiking going on, especially at turn off (might need a snubber). I do think I'll try an NTC thermistor in there for inrush limiting. I wasn't liking that it probably wouldn't help on warm cycling, but I expect it's better than not addressing inrush at all :) – scanny Apr 4 '16 at 22:40

You can design (or buy) an SSR with a 120VAC control input and zero-voltage switching output. Anything more than a few amperes will need consideration as to how to get the heat out. Probably run you $20-$30 for a safety-agency approved unit from a good maker capable of a few amperes (like the dimmer you mention).