I'm building a 5 V regulator for a PCB, and I was reading through the datasheet and Wikipedia to make sure I was doing it right.

What baffles me is that the regulator switches at 150 kHz. Yet most sources I've found online say the self-resonant frequency of your average electrolytic cap is below 100 kHz.

In the circuit on page 8 of the datasheet, there's a 220 µF electrolytic capacitor. Assuming 2 nH (low estimate) is a reasonable series inductance (is it?), then the highest possible resonant frequency should be

\$ f_c = \Large{\frac{1}{2\pi\sqrt{220e^{-6}\ F\ *\ 2e^{-9}\ H}}} = \small240\ kHz \$

So at 150 kHz the capacitor should barely be working as a capacitor. How does this even work? Why is it OK?

I did some simulations of the circuit to figure out what exactly was going on. I modeled the switch/diode as a 12 V square wave with duty cycle 5/12 = 0.417, and with a load of 5 ohm (for a 1 A current). The output capacitor is 220 µF, the inductor is 33 µH. First I made a Bode plot:

Bode plot

The bottom circuit is using an ideal capacitor (no ESL/ESR). It's basically a low-pass filter with a resonance at 11k radians (1.8 kHz). The top circuit is with an ESR of 100 mohm, ESL 20 µH. The ESR smooths things out at the resonant frequency. The ESL (self-resonant at about 75 kHz) causes the response to flatten out at around 75 kHz, and reduces the attenuation from -40 dB/decade to -20 db/decade.

And then I simulated it with SPICE:

Spice graph

The top trace shows the ideal capacitor. Simulated over 3 ms, it rings at the resonant frequency of the filter (1.8 kHz).

The second trace shows the capacitor with parasitic effects included. It flattens out after a couple of milliseconds, although in the first millisecond the voltage shoots up to 9 V, and the current (not shown) peaks at 12 A, which might be a good reason to include some overvoltage protections.

The third trace shows the output voltage oscillating at around 5 V (also the voltage across the capacitor). The fourth trace is the instantaneous voltage across the series inductance. The fifth trace is the current through the capacitor.

So at these frequencies, the capacitor is indeed almost self-resonant. The impedance across it is almost entirely ESR (100 mohm). The impedance of the ideal capacitor part is 5 mohm; the impedance of the series inductance is 2 mohm (both negligible). But it still drinks up all the oscillatory current, because it is 0.1 ohm in parallel with a 5 ohm load. This is exactly what the capacitor is intended to do.

The fourth trace illustrates the effect of the series inductance. Across it is a mere 7 mV. The capacitor impedance contributes something similar. Out of 60 mV ripple, this is nothing -- but if the frequency were higher, then the overall impedance of the non-ideal capacitor would be higher due to the parasitic inductance. You're fine until the impedance of the capacitor becomes a significant portion of the load -- when that happens you get a large oscillatory current through the load, and that's bad.

This also illustrates the reason why the ESR is such an important parameter. If it's too low, then you don't damp out ringing of the LC circuit and your circuit has stability issues. But the higher it is, the more oscillations you'll get on your steady state voltage.


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This paper describes the typical inductance and SRF of an electrolytic capacitor.

One way to really know what's going on is to hook the capacitor up to an impedance analyzer.

impedance sweep

The difference in ESR between 100kHz and 150kHz is small (\$22 m\Omega\$ vs. \$25m\Omega\$). The minimum impedance is at around 70kHz.

Remember, for most forward-type switching power supply designs (i.e. buck) the size and number of output capacitors is much more influenced by the ESR you need to keep the output ripple within specification, not so much by the capacitance you need to maintain regulation when the power train isn't delivering energy - generally you wind up with much more C than you need need to get the ESR that you want.

Also, even when you exceed the SRF and the ESL becomes dominant, the part is still a capacitor - just with some inductance in series. The ESR (caused by ESL) has to become extremely huge before the part ceases functioning altogether as a capacitor, which will happen at extremely high frequencies (where the ESR approaches the load resistance). This article explains the concept very nicely.

(It's kind of like thinking about a gyrator circuit - it simulates inductance, but isn't really an inductor as it doesn't store energy in a magnetic field.)

Trust me, lots of power supplies operating at or above 100kHz are using electrolytic capacitors as output filters very successfully.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Thanks! That second link is super useful (section 4.0 in particular) :D \$\endgroup\$
    – wjin
    Commented Dec 23, 2011 at 4:36
  • \$\begingroup\$ RE: "when you exceed the SRF and the ESL becomes dominant, the part is still a capacitor - just with some inductance in series" - This is valid for supply bypassing applications, where the function of the capacitor is to give a low-impedance path to ground. But in other situations, particularly if the capacitor is used to produce a phase shift between inputs & outputs of a filter or between current & voltage signals, it's not valid -- beyond resonance the device has to be considered as an inductor (with a capacitance in series). \$\endgroup\$
    – The Photon
    Commented Dec 23, 2011 at 16:51
  • \$\begingroup\$ Whether the phase shift at resonance matters in a switching power supply is beyond my knowledge, but probably depends on the details of the regulator's control circuit. \$\endgroup\$
    – The Photon
    Commented Dec 23, 2011 at 16:54

If the operating frequency is 150 kHz, and the capacitor is self-resonant at 240 kHz, that is not a problem, except for two considerations:

  1. The ripple on the capacitor has some harmonics at frequencies of 300 kHz, 450 kHz, etc. You need to have additional lower-value capacitors in parallel with the main 220 uF cap if you want to filter these harmonics.

  2. Your calculation of the self resonant frequency assumed the capacitor's series inductance was 2 nH. Which might or might not be right. If you can't prove to yourself that your cap and its connecting traces have inductance this low, you might want to provide the 220 uF capacitance with a parallel combination of smaller capacitors (say four or five 47 uF caps) instead of with a single large-value part.

  • \$\begingroup\$ from what I understand, the cap functions as a current sink to absorb the oscillating current due to the switching (where \$ r = \Delta I / I_0 \approx 0.3\$ typical, which means 0.4A peak-to-peak oscillation on your current is not abnormal in the configuration I am looking at). Series inductance starts taking over at these frequencies, and if your capacitor starts working like an inductor, then how well does it sink the current? |Can you even call it a capacitor at these frequencies? \$\endgroup\$
    – wjin
    Commented Dec 22, 2011 at 19:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ In this configuration, I don't think the capacitor is acting as part of a low-pass filter. \$\endgroup\$
    – wjin
    Commented Dec 22, 2011 at 20:06
  • \$\begingroup\$ @wjin, it is sinking and sourcing current to smooth out the ripples from the switching transistor inside the regulator. In that sense it is acting as part of a low-pass filter. This filter is absolutely necessary to the operation of the buck converter, but I think its still fair to call it a filter. \$\endgroup\$
    – The Photon
    Commented Dec 22, 2011 at 22:43
  • \$\begingroup\$ @wjin, to your first comment, your calculation showed that the inductance takes over at somewhere above 200 kHz. Since you're operating below 200 kHz, you should be in good shape. But your calculation also shows you will need to be very careful about layout to keep the parasitic inductance low for currents through the cap and keep the resonance above 200 kHz. If you want more margin in your design, it wouldn't be a bad idea to use multiple parallel capacitors to minimize the overall inductance. \$\endgroup\$
    – The Photon
    Commented Dec 22, 2011 at 22:47
  • \$\begingroup\$ I did some simulations (in my edit above) and I see what's happening now. You're right in that it's a filter (see Bode plot). But even with series inductance it still works -- something you would probably have to do a simulation to discover. In this case, adding smaller value bypass caps doesn't help. At the relevant frequencies, their impedance is too high and they don't pass much current. They become effective at higher frequencies-- but only briefly before ESL catches up to them too. \$\endgroup\$
    – wjin
    Commented Dec 24, 2011 at 0:03

Your arguments have some merit.
You'd need to check what the ral world specs are as this is indeed a "demanding application".

The data sheet to the actual part which they explicitly specify = Nichicon PM series 22V, 220 uF is here with the 220/25 on the 4th sheet (pages unnumbered here?).

They give worst case impedance at 100 kHz and ripple current spec at 200 kHz.
You are likely pushing the reasonable upper limits of this capacitor in this application. Some smaller parallel higher frequency capable caps as well are liable to be "a good idea".


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