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I just bought the multimeter "Multimeter Digital MAS830L" because I wanted to learn about electronics. INSTRUCTION MANUAL HERE.

Well, I've read the manual and it said clearly :

Alternative Voltage Measurement

  1. Connect the red probe to VΩmA (200mA, 250V max FUSED)

  2. Connect the black probe to COM (200mA, 250V max FUSED)

  3. Setting on 600/200 V~

And then I just placed the red and the black probe in a European Power Point which has only two holes so it's pretty hard to miss something. And I'm pretty sure the polarity doesn't has to do with anything here because when you connect a device you can connect it both ways with the same result.

The first time (every device as much as I remember was off ?) and it measured Voltage correctly. Second Time, the plug sparkled but nothing serious happened. But the tv was on in that room.

So when I did it the third time still with the TV on but on the other room, I've had a sparkle from my multimeter and the Plug together. The electrical switch from the room I was in turned off because of the fusions but I don't specifically understand why it happened.

I mean if I can not measure the Alternative Voltage with a multimeter from a Power Point, why does a multimeter has these kind of settings on it if it can not handle it ? Did I do something wrong ? I followed the manual's guidance.

I disassembled the multimeter , I saw the fusion and it was alright. I've seen the wire safe and sound in the glass (WHY ?) I changed it just in case with a 10A fusion because that's what I had at the time (but I wouldn't plug it anywhere dangerous), but still the multimeter was giving false values for almost every setting if not all of them. I saw the board from the back and I saw a big black stain on the big wire circle where you adjust the settings with the plastic mode switcher. So that means that it will never work well I guess ? Because the copper on the board was damaged ?

If I did something wrong, aren't these things misleading for a newcomer ? Because I did what I was thinking was logical to do while following the manual's guidance. It didn't mention anything about Power Point plugs as much as I remember.

Thanks in advance.

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    \$\begingroup\$ First of all I would recommend you to start learning electronics with safe voltages! Second, whatst the mains voltage in your country? Third, these cheap kind of multimeters (18$ on amazon) are sometimes just bad designed (have look on some videos of the EEVBlog, there are some fantastic multimeter teardowns.) \$\endgroup\$ Jun 18, 2016 at 10:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ Its 220 Volt so I had to measure it with 600V~ setting. Oh and today I just discovered that guy :D I haven't seen yet the multimeter tear downs though \$\endgroup\$
    – Eksapsy
    Jun 18, 2016 at 10:55
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    \$\begingroup\$ By fusion I assume you mean fuse. Can you post a picture of the internals parts of the multimeter, showing the damage? \$\endgroup\$
    – winny
    Jun 18, 2016 at 11:01
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    \$\begingroup\$ Don't replace a 200mA fuse with a 10A fuse. Seriously. \$\endgroup\$
    – marcelm
    Jun 18, 2016 at 12:32
  • \$\begingroup\$ Yes of course : First prntscr.com/bhwfzv Second prntscr.com/bhwguq \$\endgroup\$
    – Eksapsy
    Jun 18, 2016 at 12:35

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Since nobody answered yet, I will make my comment an answer.

I just bought the multimeter "Multimeter Digital MAS830L" because I wanted to learn about electronics.

If you don't know exactly what you are doing, don't play around with mains voltages. It's dangerous and mistakes can be deadly.

The first time (every device as much as I remember was off ?) and it measured Voltage correctly. Second Time, the plug sparkled but nothing serious happened. But the tv was on in that room. So when I did it the third time still with the TV on but on the other room, I've had a sparkle from my multimeter and the Plug together. The electrical switch from the room I was in turned off because of the fusions but I don't specifically understand why it happened.

The on/off state of your TV or any other appliance in your home have nothing to do with what happened.

And I'm pretty sure the polarity doesn't has to do with anything here because when you connect a device you can connect it both ways with the same result.

You are right, the polarity doesn't matter for AC.

I changed it just in case with a 10A fusion

Never change a fuse with a higher rating then given! Then in case of next failure not the fuse might blow, but the next weakest link in your device!

Setting on 600/200 V~

On the pictures the Multimeter has 2 different AC positions 200V and 600V. If you had it on the 200V setting, this might have been a mistake. But the area that looks burned in your picture doesn't look like it should have been from this. enter image description here

Finally it is hard so say, what caused your problem. The meter is rated CAT II. But from the pictures you showed, in my opinion its just CAT I. Except this lousy glass fuse there is no further input protection (I cannot even see a beefy / high power input limit resistor anywhere). This device should not be used on mains voltages. So I would say it's just the bad design of the meter that caused your burn!

Quote from Wikipedia

Good quality multimeters designed to meet CAT II and above ratings will include High Rupture Capacity ceramic fuses typically rated at more than 20 kA breaking capacity.[34] They will also include high energy overvoltage MOV (Metal Oxide Varistor) protection, and circuit over-current protection in the form of a Polyswitch.

In this Wikipedia article you can also find this picture of a proper designed multimeter (CAT IV)

  • Category I: used where equipment is not directly connected to the mains
  • Category II: used on single phase mains final sub-circuits
  • Category III: used on permanently installed loads such as distribution panels, motors, and 3-phase appliance outlets
  • Category IV: used on locations where fault current levels can be very high, such as supply service entrances, main panels, supply meters, and primary over-voltage protection equipment

Plus see this nice read about safety categories.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Yeah thats a typo, sorry :) Ill change that. \$\endgroup\$ Jun 18, 2016 at 14:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ Hey thanks, I got lot of info from you :) But the question is ... should I call the Store or better ... the Company that produces these multimeters to complain for such thing ? I mean isn't it dangerous that they marked it as CAT II while it couldn't handle a main voltage ? Not to mention that they scammed me from that perspective. \$\endgroup\$
    – Eksapsy
    Jun 18, 2016 at 15:01
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    \$\begingroup\$ @general656 Depending on the country you live in, the fake CAT II declaration could also be illegal. I wouldn't waste time calling the company (probably a chinese mass seller who knows perfectly the kind of crap it is selling). You could be better off contacting some consumers association, which may give you better advice in relation with local legislation. If the store owner is an honest person, it may be willing to listen to your complaint and maybe he will stop selling that crap (or you could threaten to sue him, if the law in your country allows it and it's worthwhile for you - IANAL). \$\endgroup\$ Jun 20, 2016 at 2:07
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I saw the board from the back and I saw a big black stain on the big wire circle where you adjust the settings with the plastic mode switcher. So that means that it will never work well I guess ? Because the copper on the board was damaged ?

In your picture, that looks like corrosion. Probably some moisture got inside the device and conducted across the contacts that are supposedly to only be closed by the mode selector switch.

As a result, the mode your meter was in was different from the switch position, which activated circuits which weren't safe to expose to such a voltage. No surprise that something burned, although it should have been a fuse and not the circuitry.

It appears that this failure is a combination of poor meter design as Karl says (not having overload protection on each circuit, only one main fuse) as well as operator fault (allowing moisture inside the meter).

Cheap electronics are generally not going to be very forgiving of usage in abnormal humidity and temperature. Note that "cheap" is not just an assessment of price, but of where the purchase price goes. If every dime is spent on "features" and none on protection, you can get the same brittleness on a multi-thousand dollar instrument.

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The fault is in the instruction:

Always set the multimeter in the correct measurement setting before connecting it!

In your case:

  1. Setting on 600 V~
  2. Connect the black connector to COM
  3. Connect the red connector to VΩmA
  4. Connect the black probe to object that you wan't to measure
  5. Connect the red probe to object that you wan't to measure
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