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With some (very) rusty electronics knowledge I thought I'd have a crack at getting some Nixie tubes to display using my microprocessor (an mbed). It seemed so simple, but the information I can find online is confusing!

I have a bunch of IN-12As, some of the russian binary-to-decimal ICs (analogous to the 74141N I believe), some 74HC5959PW shift registers and a 'Nixie Tube Power Supply' I bought from eBay - it takes 12V and supplies 5V and 180V suitable for Nixies (supposedly).

I do all my electronics work on breadboard (I managed to fry one of these power supplies already when two Nixie tube wires touched - oops) so I'm trying to design a PCB to hold two IN-12 Nixie tubes, the two bin-dec ICs and a shift register. The idea being that this could be stuck on the side of a breadboard and used as a simple nixie breakout. As it uses a shift register I'd also like them to be daisy chainable (so you could have 5 of these side by side and simply tick 40 times rather than just 8 to update all 10, rather than the usual 2).

Enough rambling and back story - How should I design this circuit (I'm using Eagle)? I currently have this layout: enter image description here

My questions are probably a little idiotic:

  1. Where does my powersupply above come into this? (Do I drive the IC1 and IC2 with it?)
  2. Have I made any big blunders?

If you'd like this Eagle file you can download it here - if I get something working I'd love to release it so others can use it too, so consider it free of any copyright.

(as a side issue - if anyone has any recommendations as to places to have small runs of PCBs made in the UK I'm all ears!)

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A Nixie tube is a version of a standard vacuum tube / thermionic valve / ... .

The Anode is most positive and the Cathode or Cathodes most negative.

The diagram below from here shows a typical Nixe which is representative enough of your one for the purpose.The Anode connection (A) is taken to high voltage +Ve via a resistor or current source. The Cathodes are grounded via the driver IC when illumination of the selected element or elements is wanted

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There are numerous excellent Nixie Tube websites available. See some references at the end.


Finding Nixie tube driver circuits etc.

Go to Gargoyle or search engine of choice and enter

nixie driver

Then the magic part - select "images".
Pages with circuits become clear and allow easy searching.
Gargoyle manages this

Producing:

Excellent DIY page - At a skim he seems to be over voltaging his driver ICs - I'd need to look t see if I've missed something.

Ah - clever. IF another Cathode is on and off-Cathod will rise to the struck voltage of the other Cathode. If all are off it may be "interesting". Even a "." would do.

{How to drive Nixie tubes](http://www.glowbug.nl/neon/HowToDriveNixies.html) they say.

Building a Nixie Clock - Excellent !!

Another - excellent

Open Source? project - even the photos alone are useful. HV513WG ICS.

An instructables mainly kit assembly but some use.


Driving Nixie tubes.

Some driver ICs have high voltage outputs intended for driving thermionic devices such as Nixie tubes or electroluminescent displays.

If you want to use a "standard IC" with maximum voltage of 5 V or 15V or similar then you need som sort of high voltage buffer or driver.The most basic method is to use a "common emitter" transistor buffer - the Ic drives the base via a resistor and the high voltage to be switched to ground is connected to the collector as shown below. Use MPSA42 transistor or equivalent (probably).

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The above circuit turns the Nixie on when the base drive is high and off when Vin = low. If a driver IC is used low = on and high or float = off then the sense is inverted by this circuit.


The circuit below also providec high voltage buffering but with no inversion. Vin = low = on , Vin = high = off.
The disadvantage (or a feature :-) ) is that Q1 provides voltage buffering but not current buffering - the IC must provide what ever drive is required by the load.
This is a "common base circuit". This arrangement in this sort of context is extremely useful but rare - I searched google images and could not find a single example that I could adapt.

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Nixie tester


Somebody having fun.
From here - circuit
and here - webpage

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Nixie power supply.
Nothing overly special about circuit.
THIS CIRCUIT WILL HAPPILY KILL YOU IF YOU LET IT !!! From here

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A mainstay in the low power high voltage transistor world for many decades has been the TO92 packaged MPSA42. This is rated at 300 V Vceo. Much less common and almost unknown is the MPSA44 rated at 400 V. I have a few of these that came my way with a large collection of parts but have never seen them in the flesh anywhere else, whereas the MPSA42 is very common.

MPSA42 in a TO92 package (std small plastic 3 pin) are in stock at Digikey at $US0.21 each in 25s. Digikey list MPSA44 but show no stock.

SMD SOT23 equivalent for pricing, and for datasheet
Fairchild KST42 = 300V, KST43 = 200V. Note the 2/3 part number and 300/200 voltages are swapped

However, Digikey list an MPSA42 variant in stock at an utter bargain price.

BUY THESE NOW ->

STPSA42 2 CENTS EACH IN 25 quantity
These are presumably end line at such a fantastic price - but they show 16,000 in stock. STPSA42 datasheet - 300V, 500 mA - but not both at once (or not for long).

Here's another end line HV bargain.
TO220, 400V, 4A, $US0.23/1, $US0.16/1000 BUL704 and datasheet !!!!!!!

Worth knowing about:
SOT23, 500 V.150 mA. 42 cents/25 datasheet here

Ah doo een oh !

| Happy new year L-)


Nixie Tube Clock - liable to be relevant.

Vast quantity of parts. Impressive

and here

Wikipedia is useful

Nixie World - many fun examples in German and English.

Data on numerous specific tubes

Example tube

Another

Tube Clock - wow!

The Woz shows off his Nixie Tube Watch - Apple as it was meant to be.

Gallery of Nixie Tube clocks

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  • \$\begingroup\$ This is fantastic - thanks for all the links. So many of the sites I googled we're either showing off their Nixie projects (cool, but not so helpful) or too complex for me to understand! I'll sift through these in the new year and pull out a circuit design I can work with. \$\endgroup\$ – JP. Dec 31 '11 at 15:39
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In Eagle, you need to press the 'activate another gate' button to connect power to your IC's (logic IC's typically have a logic and power symbol section).

What I think we should point out that nixie tubes work on very high voltages. I wouldn't be working on breadboards with 180V supplies. I'd rather make just a simple board for connecting the power supply and the tubes together, so that stuff doesn't go anywhere. Also note that 180V is very high voltage, and it's DC, so be careful.

What you should check whether your IC1 and IC2 are able to handle the voltages of nixie tubes. If they are 'on' you're probably going to make sink the output. I.e. , approx. 180V will be on the segment of the tube, it will light up and it looks cool (if all is well). If you want the segment to be off, the outputs of the 4141N's have to 'block' 180V. Because no current (initially) is flowing, the voltage across the tube (and with that I also mean the extra 20k resistor as shown in Russell's drawing) is zero and the voltage on the IC pins is 180V.

So I wonder if you have checked the IC you're whether it can do that. If I look up the datasheet at alldatasheet (which is not the most reliable place to get your datasheets from , by the way) it says a recommended off-state voltage of 60V. If you connect it to 180V it will go smoke. I don't know whether you have more specific datasheets of your russian version?

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I've added details of the Russian bin-dec IC I have - looks like I should be powering them with 5V but use a high voltage transistor between it's output and the nixie and high DC voltage. Any recommendations? \$\endgroup\$ – JP. Dec 31 '11 at 15:34
  • \$\begingroup\$ You can do one of three things: (1) invoke the power pins as you suggested, (2) name your power nets GND and VCC or whatever the gate author decided to name them and they'll be connected automatically (but not shown anywhere on the schematic - I can't stand this method) or (3) don't use gates that have multiple sections. \$\endgroup\$ – Kevin Vermeer Dec 31 '11 at 17:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ mpsa42 hasbeen the deacdes long favourite HV TO92 pkg. 300 V. 21c/25 at Digikey. Note MPSA44 = 400V. || BUY THESE NOW -> STPSA42 [2 CENTS EACH IN 25]. (search.digikey.com/us/en/products/STPSA42/497-2407-ND/603432) pRESUMEENDLINE but 16000 STOCK datasheet | Happy new year L-) \$\endgroup\$ – Russell McMahon Dec 31 '11 at 20:34

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