If I have something like a windmill generator that generates AC current, but at variable frequency, what device(s) would I need to convert that variable frequency into a constant 60hz frequency, so that the power can be used for net-metering?


As noted by several people AC->DC-> AC is the easiest way and would be the most normal.

But -

Cycloconverter - Olde tech system - something to think about for the more technically informed.

However, if your wind-turbine AC frequency is always high relative to AC you can get a moderately good result by using what is known as a cyclo-converter.

This is an option that I have not heard of being used in the domestic WT market and which is usually associated with high powers or Olde technology BUT
a Cycloconverter could be extremely easily implemented at good cost in the 100 Watt - 30 KW size range with modern electronics.

It is stated in a number of places on web that Honda use cycloconverters in some of their portable motor generator units. This is not certain but may well be true as this would allow them to use high frequencies with consequent reduced size magnetics and would also allow a degree of frequency stabilisation. I had noticed the very small size of their units wrt power levels and wondered what magic they had worked.

A cycloconverter takes the available waveforms and compares them to a reference desired output waveform. It then draws power from the waveform that is closest to what is required.

Waveform distortion obviously occurs but if the relative frequencies are high and multiple phases are available, quite modest output filtering may produce an acceptable result in many cases.

An advantage is the efficiency can be very high, as the "best" alternator phase is simply being switched to the output at any time and losses are mainly switch (typically MOSFET) dissipation losses plus switching losses. Switching losses are modest as even at 10:1 input to output frequency switching rate is only around a few kHz. (Multiple switchings per output cycle mean switching rate is > N x fout)

The diagram below shows basic operation with 3 phase in and 1 phase out. A major advantage is that because input and output float relative to each other, and given input phase can be instantly inverted in polarity relative to the output if requried. This significantly increases the number of waveform segments to choose from and thus the available spectral purity for a given input:output arrangement.

Multiple input phases are required to choose from - the more the better. As WT's often have 3 phase output and may have more this method may be a good match to the requirement. (The available number is effectively increased by polarity inversion - see below).

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From here

Technical comment - not relevant for questioner:

This is very B.O.T.E. but seems OK - Variable input frequency is easily handled with some effect on spectral purity. As long as rate of change of frequency is small compared to frequency this would not be a major problem. Typical loaded rotor inertias would usually make this not an issue. eg in the diagram above fin_3 phase is about 3 x Fout_1 phase. The shortest time period between switchings is about 10% of fin. The longest is about 25% Fin. If fout = 50 Hz then time period of longest segment ~~= 1/(50 x 3 x 10 ) = < 1 mS. WT prop at say 3000 RPM = 50 RPS = 20 mS per rev = 20 times longest segment . Blade inertia needs to be such that blade speed does not change vastly over say 1 revolution. If WT rotation rate doubled in 1 second (wow) then speed would change by ~= 2%/revolution = OK.

Note that the above deals with frequency but not Voltage changes. In many cases an AC-DC-AC system will be preferred due to tye freedom i gives to alter bith frequency and voltage.

Wikipedia - cycloconverters

[Book, 1972, MIT pressThe theory and design of cycloconverters

About 20 page paper UoTK, Knoxville. About 2000 Cycloconverter tutorial

Images linked to pages. Many many many ...

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    \$\begingroup\$ Awesome Answer, I have lots to read about now, thanks so much. \$\endgroup\$ Jan 7 '12 at 4:48

You need to rectify the power to DC, then use an inverter to generate your 60Hz waveform.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Is this very lossy? \$\endgroup\$ Jan 6 '12 at 23:21
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Madcow: I would be really really impressed if you can show me a AC to AC converter that is 98% efficient. \$\endgroup\$ Jan 6 '12 at 23:59
  • \$\begingroup\$ It depends on how you implement it. Most cheap commercial inverters are around 80-90% I would guess, and the efficiency of the simplest diode bridges for rectification are very dependent on the current you draw. For a good implementation with active switching MOSFETs on both sides and a good controller, you could probably do the entire conversion 90-95% efficient. @OlinLathrop. You're right, I was a bit quick there to ignore things that weren't the MOSFET's. Edited to a more reasonable figure.. \$\endgroup\$
    – Madcowswe
    Jan 7 '12 at 0:05
  • \$\begingroup\$ @weezybizze as the input frequency is variable, I can't really see any other way of doing what you need (except for very silly things like rotary transformers...) \$\endgroup\$
    – Madcowswe
    Jan 7 '12 at 0:09

Aside from the standard rectifier + inverter solutions, and cycloconverters, there's also the less well-known matrix converter (these have a matrix of switches to connect any input to any output), which, like rectifier + inverter, uses power electronics to convert from one AC input to another, but without a DC link in the middle.


Convert the output of your AC windmill generator to DC. Then feed the DC into a GRID-TIE inverter.

You can purchase a grid-tie inverter most anywhere that supplies solar panels and wind generators.

Another cheap source of grid-tie inverters is eBay. I purchase several 250 watt units for less than $80US. They come in much larger sizes also but I decided to break my large system into several smaller systems. That way one single failure would not cause the entire system to fail.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid-tie_inverter

"A grid-tie inverter (GTI) or synchronous inverter is a special type of power inverter that converts direct current (DC) electricity into alternating current (AC) and feeds it into an existing electrical grid. GTIs are often used to convert direct current produced by many renewable energy sources, such as solar panels or small wind turbines, into the alternating current used to power homes and businesses."

N.B.: "Note to SYSOP" removed, such messages should go into Meta Electronics not into answers.


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