1
\$\begingroup\$

I'm trying to redesign the layout with a 8 MHz crystal(XT1) for atmega328p micro controller. Since this micro controller uses internal oscillator,UART Communication does not work reliably on current design.So I decided to go with external crystal for the production.

Since this board works fine with all the other functionalities except UART,we need to re spin the board with minimal changes.The red represents the top PCB layer and blue is the bottom PCB layer (it's a 2-layer design).Due to the placement constraints on the bottom side of the PCB,I placed the Crystal and its Load capacitance on the Top side whereas the micro-controller sits on the bottom side.

I've been reading through several recommendations specifically for crystals layout design.I am sure that design does not meet most of them(ex.Avoid vias). I am concerned about the functionality of the PCB, especially from EMC problems.There are really no high frequency signals on this board except 8 MHzenter image description here. Can anybody give some suggestions on how the PCB can be improved?

\$\endgroup\$
6
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ Remember that when you have an 8MHz square wave, its frequency components are many harmonics above, especially when they are quite sharp squares. \$\endgroup\$
    – PlasmaHH
    Oct 20, 2016 at 9:23
  • \$\begingroup\$ 8 MHz? It'll be OK, those are just power tracks running underneath, right? \$\endgroup\$
    – user_1818839
    Oct 20, 2016 at 9:56
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Brian Drummiond 5:Yes.Its a 8MHz crystal oscillator and the tracks running underneath are 3v3 and GND traces \$\endgroup\$
    – ANONYMOUS
    Oct 20, 2016 at 10:02
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ Some traces appear to be dangerously close to vias. \$\endgroup\$
    – apalopohapa
    Oct 20, 2016 at 10:33
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ I have had very good luck with these: Murata resonators with integral caps. They are nice and small and certainly accurate enough for your purposes. \$\endgroup\$
    – Tut
    Oct 20, 2016 at 20:31

4 Answers 4

Reset to default
1
\$\begingroup\$

Things which I would change:

  • do not use right angle tracks;
  • consider usage of generator instead of oscillator of respective frequency;
  • do not put components too close to dimensions (in your case I see a hole);
  • put GND plane near and behind the crystal;
  • wiring between SMD capacitor pads IMHO may not be a good idea.

Sometime you have to put some extra effort and make things right from the start. I think it is this case.

\$\endgroup\$
2
  • 2
    \$\begingroup\$ About those right angles... \$\endgroup\$
    – JRE
    Oct 20, 2016 at 13:19
  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you for the link. Then let's say not having right angles is my personal preference - probably it is easier to read on the board and probably 45 degrees tracks are shorter than right-angled. In addition, probably I like to minimize right-angled ground-filling polygons! \$\endgroup\$
    – Anonymous
    Oct 20, 2016 at 13:45
2
\$\begingroup\$

First, I've to warn you about the clock frequency. I don't know your desired baud rate, but 8MHz is not acceptable for high-speed (e.g. 115200bps) proper UART. Have you checked the datasheet? UBBR n register determines the communication speed with the following formula (p.227): $$ UBBR = \frac{f_{OSC}}{16 \cdot Baud} - 1 $$

UBBR must be an integer between 0-4095, Baud is an integer multiples of, say, 2400. So, it's easy to calculate that oscillator frequency should have a frequency of \$f_{OSC} = k \cdot 1.8432 MHz \$ (k is an integer). Example: For 115.2kBaud, UBBR is calculated 3.34 so selecting UBBR = 3 yields a baud rate of 125kBaud. And the error rate can be calculated as follows: \$e = |1 - (calculated Baud) / (desired Baud)| = |1 - 125k/115.2k|= 8.5\% \$ which is terribly unacceptable. With an 8MHz crystal and assuming maximum allowable \$e = 2\%\$, the maximum allowable baud rate will be 38.4kBaud. So, the slower the baud rate, the lesser the error rate. Consequently, instead of 8MHz, I recommend you to use 7.3728MHz (1.8432 x 4). Also: How critical are UART frequencies?

Anyway, my suggestions about PCB design:

  • Use huge GND planes.
  • Keep tracks as short as possible.
  • Place the components as close as possible.
  • Add a GND pad for crystal's outer case. Grounding the case can improve the performance.
  • Keep positive and GND tracks/planes as close as possible.
\$\endgroup\$
4
  • 2
    \$\begingroup\$ About those right angles... \$\endgroup\$
    – JRE
    Oct 20, 2016 at 13:19
  • 2
    \$\begingroup\$ You should show us how close you can get to the baud rate give an 8MHz crystal, and tell us whether or not its good enough based on UART requirements. Engineering is often an exercise in "good enough" \$\endgroup\$
    – Scott Seidman
    Oct 20, 2016 at 13:46
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ Here is an excellent AVR-specific UART calculator: wormfood.net/avrbaudcalc.php \$\endgroup\$
    – Brendan Simpson
    Oct 20, 2016 at 14:53
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ @Rohat :My desired baud rate is 9600-19800 bps. Since my power supply is limited to +3.3V, atmega328p microcontroller does not allow to use more than 8MHz. \$\endgroup\$
    – ANONYMOUS
    Oct 20, 2016 at 20:12
0
\$\begingroup\$

This isn't an answer to your question, but I'd like to raise a point a little too weighty for a train of comments.

I don't know the ATMega family, but I'd encourage you to spend a few moments looking to see if there is a pin-compatible option that has a better internal oscillator. The option may or may not exist, but life gets a bit easier if it does.

Of course, if there is such an option, whether its a viable option or not depends on your situation. If your plan is commercial, then you need to weight the costs of hardware redevelopment against the increased cost of the processor. If you need something fast, where you've already validated the remainder of an existing board, and you're only making a few, it probably works real well.

\$\endgroup\$
6
  • \$\begingroup\$ They all have an internal RC oscillator, but they are tunable to within 1% with a register (OSCCAL). \$\endgroup\$
    – Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
    Oct 20, 2016 at 13:25
  • \$\begingroup\$ @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams -- there's one answer then. 1% is good enough, no? Is the cal procedure onerous, or is it actually done by the factory. \$\endgroup\$
    – Scott Seidman
    Oct 20, 2016 at 13:34
  • \$\begingroup\$ The factory does it to 10%. In order to get it to 1% you need to do it at runtime using a known clock to compare to (such as the 32.768kHz crystal connected to timer 2 running in async mode). \$\endgroup\$
    – Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
    Oct 20, 2016 at 13:37
  • \$\begingroup\$ @IgnacioVazquez-Abrams:Thanks for your suggestion.We tested 20 boards and almost half of the boards does not work as expected as their internal clock accuracy varies with wide range.Also we tried to calibrate the internal clock within 1% tolerance using OSCCAL register and that resolves the problem.Is that possible to calibrate all the boards with the same software?I understand OSCCAL Value is not same for all the atmega328p microcontroller \$\endgroup\$
    – ANONYMOUS
    Oct 20, 2016 at 13:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ @ANONYMOUS: If you're lucky enough to have the PB6 and PB7 pins free then strap a clock crystal across them, drive timer 2 in async mode, and use that to calibrate your system clock every 10s or so. \$\endgroup\$
    – Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
    Oct 20, 2016 at 14:01
0
\$\begingroup\$

There are a few things I would worry about here. First, the traces should not be squared. You want to eliminate any corners on this PCB. 45 degrees angle work well. Another thing to consider would be to keep traces away from the oscillator since it can get coupled to other unrelated traces. In this case, those traces are on a different layer, so it looks fine. And keep your oscillator traces as close to each other as possible.

\$\endgroup\$
1

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.