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How can I model/calculate the behavior from Vin to Iout of the following circuit? (Credits of the picture go to Analog Devices):

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Essentially, I am interested in the large signal response, such as a step at Vin.

Using the standard scheme for single loop feedback control systems, I could calculate \$\rm V1/V_{IN}\$, getting \$\rm I_{OUT}\$ from \$\rm V1\$ means then just using Ohm´s law.

Two problems here:

  1. The transfer function should take the form $$T(s) = \frac{\rm{A_0}}{1 + \rm{A_0}B(s)},$$

    with \$\rm{A_0}\$ being the open loop gain of the opamp. I wonder, though, how to obtain \$\rm B(s)\$, which is essentially the transfer function form the MOSFET Gate to its source.

  2. Since the MOSFET is clearly non-linear, I also assume that the transfer function is then only a useful information for a given DC bias point at the gate with an overlay of very small AC signal variations.

Yes, I can simulate the behavior very easily using some spice program, but at least I would like to compare simulation results with some analytical solution. So: Any ideas on how to obtain such as "large signal transfer function" that is valid during the input voltage step?

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Transfer function "A0" may dominate - a real op-amp's slew rate is significant for your desired large-signal-response. Small-signal response of the op-amp (where slew rate isn't significant) may still dominate. \$\endgroup\$ – glen_geek Nov 1 '16 at 14:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ Yes, i think the small signal response IS relevant, because obviously the slew rate of the current Iout depends on the voltage level at the opamp input, i.e.: fir smaller VIn, the opamp has smaller differential voltage at the input and therefore ramps up more slowly (way below the possibls slew rate of the opamp!) \$\endgroup\$ – Junius Nov 1 '16 at 15:07
  • \$\begingroup\$ Junius - when the wanted transfer function is the ratio Iout/Vin the expression T(s) must be a conductance and cannot have the form as given in your text. \$\endgroup\$ – LvW Nov 1 '16 at 19:57
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see correction in the last line:

I don`t know if you are asking for the following analyses. Nevertheless, here it comes:

gm=Transistor transconductance; Vo=opamp output voltage; Acl=opamp closed-loop gain; k=feedback factor

Iout=VGS*gm

VGS=Vo-V1

V1=Iout*R1

Vo=Vin*Acl

Acl=Ao/(1+kAo)

k=gmR1/(1+gmR1) >> source follower

This gives (for infinite Ao): Acl=(1+gmR1)/gm*R1.

Now you can combine all the equations - starting at the top (simply insert the succeeding expressions):

The result is: Iout=Vin/R1

EDIT: In case, the real and frequency-dependent open-loop gain Ao(s) is to be considered, we arrive at the following expression (same set of equations, however, without setting Ao to infinite):

CORRECTION: There was a computational error (1/gm was missing in the denominator)

Iout=Vin/[R1 + (R1+1/gm)/Ao(s)]=Ao(s)Vin/[1/gm + R1 + R1*Ao(s)]

T(s)=Iout/Vin=Ao(s)/[1/gm + R1 + Ao(s)*R1]

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Is there a way to model behavior during an input voltge step? I somehow assume i need to habe frequency dependant variables in the transfer function? \$\endgroup\$ – Junius Nov 1 '16 at 15:58
  • \$\begingroup\$ Well done, I'd rather add some dynamics though. Opamp output resistance and source follower input capacitance (basically \$C_\text{rss} \,||\,C_\text{iss}/(1+g_\text{m}R_1)\$ ) add one more pole in open loop gain which, depending on loop crossover frequency, may be enough to lead to instabilty. \$\endgroup\$ – carloc Nov 1 '16 at 16:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ I have added the influence of a finite and frequency-dependent open-loop gain Ao(s), see EDIT. \$\endgroup\$ – LvW Nov 1 '16 at 16:32
  • \$\begingroup\$ Wanted to mention that also ;-). Ok, so one last thing: Ciss for example is specified for Vds=0. Is the calculation useful nevertheless? \$\endgroup\$ – Junius Nov 1 '16 at 16:35
  • \$\begingroup\$ Junius - regarding your first question (step response): It depends on the opamp model. For a first-order opamp gain function, the whole circuit is of first order only (neglecting other capacitive influences). Hence, a classical first-order step response. \$\endgroup\$ – LvW Nov 1 '16 at 17:20
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The open Loop gain and transfer function of the MOSFET can be neglected if you follow basic rules for DC bias.

  • for (RdsON+R1)*Iout < Vo < Vcc (Vo is current sink voltage)
  • for Vgs>Vth for gate threshold Vth
  • OpAmp-out swings from Vgs (+Iout*R1) to above Vcc (by Vgs)
  • for R1 << RdsOn to give more gain and voltage swing on MOSFET
  • for Vin=0 to Vmax ( AC with DC offset=Vpk)

Then you get full supply range swing for Iout

  • limited only by your power source and Op Amp swing to drive gate and RdsOn and heat sink to dissipate Vds*Iout

Iout = Vin / R1 and has nothing to do with Av, RdsOn, Vth etc.

  • however bandwidth will depend on GBW of OA.
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  • \$\begingroup\$ Well maybe my question was not formulated well enough. How do i use that information to calculate the waveform of Iout during an input voltge step? (E.g. vgs starts at zero volts) \$\endgroup\$ – Junius Nov 1 '16 at 15:55
  • \$\begingroup\$ at Vin=0, Iout=0 . at Vin =1V , Iout=1A if R1=1 Ohm and RdsOn<1 Ohm for Vcc=5V, while Vgs is below Vth but above 0 then swings above Vth to make RdsOn <R1 or whatever R1 is used \$\endgroup\$ – Tony Stewart Sunnyskyguy EE75 Nov 1 '16 at 16:02
  • \$\begingroup\$ Ok, i think I understand that qualitatibely but does not enable me to compute the waveform of Iout? \$\endgroup\$ – Junius Nov 1 '16 at 16:21
  • \$\begingroup\$ Yes it does if you satisfy the conditions for V bias on Vgs and RdsOn < R1 then for Iout=0 RdsOn >> R1 is easy and all the non-linearity is taken out of the equation with an open loop gain> 1k. Input Voffset will affect output Ioffset however \$\endgroup\$ – Tony Stewart Sunnyskyguy EE75 Nov 1 '16 at 16:22
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The mosfet transfer function Vs/Vg is going to be very close to 1. This will be true so long as you don't run the the circuit to the point you where the fet or opamp are saturated or cutoff. There are capacitors in the fet model Cgs, Cgd, and some others that would give you S terms. If you can ignore the frequency terms from the amplifier you can probably ignore the fet capacitors too.

One of the great things about feedback is that it reduces the effect of nonlinearity. So lets assume during the step response the gain of the fet changed from 1 to 0.9. The large gain of the opamp is going to force the output to almost the same value in either case. The 10% change in gain will hardly be noticed.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ When i apply an input voltage step from zero to let's say 1V, then I start in cutoff... \$\endgroup\$ – Junius Nov 1 '16 at 15:59
  • \$\begingroup\$ If you are trying to use Laplace Transform methods, you are going to have to change your experiment to have it stay in the linear region. I've seen some papers on nonlinear Laplace analysis but they aren't all that useful. If your comment means you want to DC couple and start at 0, it is a simple change to have 0 be included in the linear range. Often the load in this circuit is taken from the bottom of R1 to the negative supply voltage. In that case having Vin=0 is fine. If you operate in the nonlinear region, your T(s) = A0 / (1 + A0 * B(s) ) is not going to be true. \$\endgroup\$ – owg60 Nov 1 '16 at 16:55

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