# Unexpectedly N-ch MOSFET high drain to source voltage in “on” state

Inside a bigger project, I'm trying to control a simple resistive load (A heating element) with an N-channel Power MOSFET. The load runs on two parallel lithium-ion cells, so at around 3.7v. The microcontroller (An Atmel Attiny85) which I am using to control the MOSFET also runs at this voltage, and outputs this voltage from its pins.

The MOSFET used is a P80NE03L-06.

The diagram represents an on state of the MOSFET, with the IC Output theoretically being at the positive voltage of the battery. Vgs should therefore be at 3.7 volts right? The minimum threshold voltage is 1.8v, so I expect it to be fully on at this point. The datasheet indicated that the on resistance should be under 0.006 ohms and the maximum current is 80A.

The problem is that that when running my load (17A), the voltage between the Drain and Source pins is a whopping 0.43v, creating an enormous power loss in the circuit and causing the MOSFET to heat up dramatically.

I stumbled upon this answer while trying to find a solution, and it mentions an "on-region characteristics" diagram. The output characteristics of my MOSFET states that Vds should be no higher than 0.25v at 25A and Vgs=4v

Does anyone have any ideas on why the voltage drop is so high in my particular configuration? I must've forgotten something, but according to any MOSFET wiring schematic this is all that is put in.

• Compumike's answer is probably correct. Rather than give data sheet numbers, try turning on the load and then measuring both the battery voltage and the gate-source voltage. I note that you've listed the battery voltage as 2.5 to 4.2. Why are you certain that the output is 4 volts under load? – WhatRoughBeast Jun 25 '17 at 0:49

Pay careful attention to the datasheet.

RdsOn = 9 mΩ max @ Vgs=5V (6 mΩ @ Vgs=10V)

  Symbol      Parameter    Test Conditions             Min. Typ. Max. Unit
1VGS(th) Gate Threshold Voltage VDS = VGS ID = 250 µA   1  1.7  2.5    V


Note the low current of threshold

As a Rule OF Thumb to get good results;

• use at least 2x Vgs(th)max
• but often Vgs= 4x Vgs(th) Max or more
• Look for a current rating of 10A application for low voltage
• But most importantly, if you want low T rise in switch Use delta T=Rja=Pd ['C]
• or choose % loss and then RdsOn= % of R load so for 5% choose 5% of 20m Let's assume you used 5V Logic drive

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

I suspect you must be using more than 5V as worst case is worse than yours.

• I added a boost converter to the gate, and it indeed functions much better with a 0.2v drop, which is acceptable. I might add a heatsink, but for the few seconds this really needs to operate for I am not very concerned. Thank you for the Rule of Thumb! – TheEpicSurge Jun 25 '17 at 1:30
• good stuff...... keep in mind battery Pd too, they are thermal insulators and ESR rises to > 33 mΩ in cheap LiPo cells and rises sharply < 10%SoC meaning more Pd in battery than 20mΩ load. so current sharing 2 cells is a good idea with matched Voc – Sunnyskyguy EE75 Jun 25 '17 at 1:38
• The batteries don't seem to heat up much to the touch, do you think I should monitor their temperature with a thermometer? – TheEpicSurge Jun 25 '17 at 1:43

Have you considered that when drawing 17A from your battery pack, you may get a system-wide voltage drop due to the internal resistance of the battery?

This discussion describes someone testing various 18650-size Li-Ion batteries and finding, at best,

$$R_\text{internal} = 60 \ \text{m}\Omega$$

when the battery is high-quality and brand new, up to

$$R_\text{internal} = 350 \ \text{m}\Omega$$

for "marginal" batteries which have taken a beating.

Even if we pick a fairly conservative ballpark of 100 milliohms for your battery pack, that's still a 1.7V drop. That brings down your gate voltage substantially, which sharply increases drain-source resistance. Some equilibrium will be established, but it may not be the one you'd like.

This is all just an educated guess based on your description, but it could be worth measuring!

• Yeah. I agree. To the OP: Note that some Lithium ion cells may be down around 25 mOhm series resistance. But these are designed specifically for high-drain applications. Look for those. Two of those in parallel could work. But you need to find a FET which will maintain very low DCR at, say, 2.7V. Or, you could maybe parallel your FET's. In any event, this is a circuit that requires a lot of attention to detail. Otherwise you are constantly going to be over-stressing components and be plagued by failures. – mkeith Jun 25 '17 at 1:20
• I measured it, the batteries drop to around 3.5 from 4.1 volts. It did contribute to the problem but having tested the circuit with a 4v supply on the gate, the problem wasn't really caused by the battery voltage drop. I should've mentioned it, but the batteries are indeed meant for moderate to high drain and since the 17A are really only meant to be for 4-5 seconds, the batteries do not heat up at all. – TheEpicSurge Jun 25 '17 at 1:27