# Substituting multiple resistors with one [duplicate]

Hi am a beginner in Electronics and I have been working with a LED project. I have a requirement where i need to connect 6 LED's in a way shown in the below diagram. Forward voltage of these LED's are 3v and current consumption around 20mA.

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

But I felt the above schematic is so bulk due to the presence of resistors, So I am thinking to replace the above one with something like this below.

simulate this circuit Am i doing it right in simplifying the circuit? Kindly advice.

## marked as duplicate by Tom Carpenter, Leon Heller, uint128_t, Dave Tweed♦Sep 10 '17 at 16:02

• Nope. This is not appropriate because the LEDs have slightly different forward voltages (even if they are the same part number) and so one ends up with passing current than the rest. – Tom Carpenter Sep 10 '17 at 14:11
• – Tom Carpenter Sep 10 '17 at 14:12
• There are about 20 or so pretty much identical questions to choose from. I literally just typed "leds in parallel" into the search box to find them. – Tom Carpenter Sep 10 '17 at 14:15
• Sorry about that. Thanks for that question link that proved useful – Harini Chandran Sep 10 '17 at 14:24
• @TomCarpenter The 4 LEDS in parallel does have an answer that is pretty much correct ...but it's not the one selected final. No LEDs will 'pop', no LED will hog current, they balance because the LEDs have and effective series resistance that is a large percentage of the series resistor. The OP will be fine doing this. A great example is the millions of Chinese LED torches that do this, and these are very reliable with up to 20 or 25 LEDs in parallel. – Jack Creasey Sep 10 '17 at 14:30

Yes you are able to do what you propose. There will be current differences between the LEDs, but it's unlikely that you will be able to see the difference. No LED will hog all the current, no LED will go into thermal runaway, and no LED will 'pop' and cause catastrophic failure. You can do simple tests to ensure that your LEDs are within a reasonable Vf range.

One comment suggested this previous answer, but unfortunately the answer selected as correct is wrong. Look at the answer from Stevenvh .....that is correct. From this answer you can see that the LEDs need to be the same (part number at least) and with this caveat the differences between the LEDs will result in current/power differences of only a few percent when many are paralleled.

There are many millions of LED Torches that use this technique and have up to 20-25 LEDs in them with a single series resistor. They don't blow up, they don't thermally runaway.

One note for you though is that you don't need to use a 9 V battery. In this configuration you are wasting battery energy. If your LEDs were 3 V Vf precisely (which I bet they are not), then you are dissipating about 700 mW in the resistor (one or many it's the same) and only 360 mW in the LEDs.

Note: It would be much better to use 3 * 1.5 V batteries. With this configuration and a series resistor of 12.5 Ohms (to give the 120 mA total current) you would then dissipate only 180 mW in the series resistor.

Do you need bin'd components? You can pay extra for LEDs that are sorted to provide a lower variance (in Vf, color and light output), but for most DIY'ers this represents a potentially expensive option. However you can simply do a single point check for each LED you have, using a resistor to limit the current. If you measure the Vf at your target working current (say 20 mA) you can sort for differences in the LEDs Vf. I normally buy cheap LED on Ebay (by the 100) and find only about 50-100 mV maximum variation. It's easy to select 5-10 LEDs from the batch within just a few mV of each other at any given operating current. You could for example sort 100 LEDs into say 20-50 mV groups and chose to select a series resistor value for each group if you were concerned (still much less than a resister per LED).

For example, here is a CREE datasheet for a White LED. Notice in the bin'ing that the majority of selection is done for color, but there are Vf bins:

This clearly shows that you would have serious trouble with a parallel configuration if you had a range of Vf with some at 3.2 V and some at 4.4 V. However, buying all from one bin gets you to only 200 mV Vf range.

Reference to the datasheet again shows the typical forward current related to Vf:

This is a typical curve ....here you would consider a single LED would be like this, and the datasheet shows VF @ 50 mA for the bins. So on this typical curve the LED Vf is about 3.8 V. If you had another LED from another bin you'd have a separate curve centered around 50 mA. Here I've fudged the graphic to show the maximum variation of bins:

Notice that if you put three LEDs with Vf bin values 3.2, 3.8 and 4.4 in parallel you'd have current values of approximately 75, 50 and 20 mA respectively in the LEDs. Variation for sure, but unlikely to pop or have thermal runaway become a problem.

So it's definitely worthwhile to ensure your LEDs Vf are within say 100 mV of each other to ensure that the current balance (or nearly so).

With some minimal testing you could preclude outliers and select LEDs well within a working range (say no more than 100 mV variation in Vf) that can be paralleled very successfully.

• When the battery is fully charged, you won't see too much variation, also because the leds will be very bright and the eye has a log response. Still, when the battery is low, you might be able to see much larger differences between different LEDs. – next-hack Sep 10 '17 at 15:08
• @next-hack, that is true ...however even with separate resistors as the voltage drops and the battery internal resistance rises you will see variations too. So the problem is pretty much moot. – Jack Creasey Sep 10 '17 at 15:10
• "No LED will hog all the current, no LED will go into thermal runaway, and no LED will 'pop' and cause catastrophic failure." - Except when they do. I've seen a LED table lamp which used this construction. After a while, one LED failed. A while later another. Shortly later, another. The remaining 6 or so followed quickly. These were probably running at a higher current than 20mA, but you're wrong to flat-out dismiss the possibility. – marcelm Sep 10 '17 at 15:25
• StevenH was close but not correct about same part number unless that on was custom single bin for Vf +/- 0.05V like my parts because specs are wide for public distribution – Sunnyskyguy EE75 Sep 10 '17 at 15:29
• @marcelm. I did not dismiss thermal runaway completely ....only at 20 mA. Under no conditions I can think of could you heat the silicon enough in this sort of application to induce thermal runaway. Your example is possibly valid, but the current was probably in the 3-400 mA range. – Jack Creasey Sep 10 '17 at 15:38

It depends on your source of LEDs. A high quality epitaxi yields batches of chips with matched Vf within a few mV at rated current. This is due to the variation in ESR. In these cases 1 shared current limiting R works fine.

But few people know or understand this or know how to test this.

Thus conservative approaches prevail.

## Technical notes

Thermal runaway may occur when the varation in delta ESR exceeds the junction thermal resistance Rja times the NTC Shockley coefficient of -x.x mV/'C, converted to delta mW/mW . If this ratio or thermal loop gain exceeds 1 you get thermal runaway.

ESR ~ 1/Pd= 1/( Vf * If) +-25% from my experience. e.g. 70 mW 5mm packages are ~ 15 ohms, 3W parts ~ 0.33 ohms for single chips.

Rth depends on layout of lead to board to ambient Rca and junction to case or lead Rjc as these add.

The rise in temp. results in a lower Vf which raises voltage drop on shared series R , which raises If [A] slightly. IF one LED is better than the rest with too low an ESR which dissipates about 10% of the total power say from 2.8 to 3.1V, this lower Vf can shunt the shared current of N LEDs now rapidly rises.

So the critical instability rises slowly with N shared currents but rise 2nd order with current and rises with $\Delta ESR$ which can vary 0.1% in one batch to 25% in open bin and unknown for unknown sources like EBay.

So if you don't know, use separate R's. If you do know then tandem LEDs may share current just it is done in 100W LEDs

Your LEDs aren't identical: one of them will have a lower Vf than the others, so it will draw more current, then heat up, which lowers its Vf and makes it draw more current...

Until it pops, and then the next LED with the lowest Vf goes through the same...

One resistor per LED is best.

However, you can put the LEDs in series, which ensures the current in each is equal. If you start with 9V, then you can put 3 red LEDs (Vf=1.8V each) in series, which makes 5.4V, and a resistor. Or 4 LEDs, but when the battery is low they will be dim.

• This is completely wrong. The Vf difference of the LEDs will be only a few mV at maximum (providing they are the same part number). There will be a difference in current flow, but likely well below the visible threshold, and certainly below the threshold of damage. There is no possibility that one will take all the current and 'pop' ...just crazy. – Jack Creasey Sep 10 '17 at 14:23
• Thermal runaway works pretty well. – peufeu Sep 10 '17 at 14:27
• Not at 20 mA. This would be 60 me on a 300 mW LED ....under what circumstances would this device be subject to thermal runaway at this current? – Jack Creasey Sep 10 '17 at 14:33
• Hmm I was thinking small SMD LEDs... with 5mm LEDs it'd probably work, still bad practice though, resistors aren't that expensive, especially if OP has enough volts to wire LEDs in series. – peufeu Sep 10 '17 at 15:21
• Testing for Vf must be verified 100% for single bin. Jack this is NOT generally true – Sunnyskyguy EE75 Sep 10 '17 at 15:36