# Can you turn on a NMOS with a lower voltage than at the drain?

So, a NMOS can be turned on if the $V_{GS}>V_{TH}$.
If the circuit is such as below:

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So, say that the $V_{TH}$ is quoted as being 3V, initially, this would be OK as $V_{GS}$ would be 5V and hence, greater than the threshold required.
My question / wondering is: as soon as the FET starts to conduct, the voltage present at the source will become the drain voltage, in this case, 3V. This, in turn, causes the $V_{GS}$ to become 2V, which is now below the threshold voltage.
Would this cause the FET to turn off as the gate-source voltage is now less than the required threshold?

This isn't exactly the same question as the title would indicate, but it is the exact situation I am facing. I suppose it is the same principle as if the drain voltage were to be > 5V.

What actually matters for making a MOSFET conduct or not is not $V_{gs}$ !

What matters is if there is a channel formed under the gate. This depends on the gate-body voltage.

On discrete MOSFETs the source and the body are shorted

That makes the drain different is it is not shorted to the body. Also note that there is a pn junction (diode) between body and drain. This diode is always present both on drain-body and on source-body. This also means that we have to keep the drain voltage higher than the body = source voltage otherwise the drain-body diode would start to conduct. If that happens current can flow whatever the gate voltage is !

As long as the source = body is at the lowest voltage (compared to the drain) then that voltage determines if there is a conductive channel.

soon as the FET starts to conduct, the voltage present at the source will become the drain voltage, in this case, 3V.

That's not true when used in a circuit where the source is grounded, when the MOSFET is used as a switch the Drain voltage should be pulled down to become equal to the source voltage. Not the other way round.

Also in the case you describe, if the source voltage does become higher there will be a point when $V_{gs} = V_{th}$ and then what happens ? Yes the MOSFET stops conduction. So how can the source voltage increase even further then ?

What you describe is what happens in a source follower circuit:

Which is not a good circuit for switching something on/off. Instead it is used to buffer a voltage while introducing a voltage shift (of roughly $V_{th}$).

• It is correct, but most of the discrete MOSFETs (even small signal MOSFETs such as BSS138) have no planar but vertical structure (Actually, I can't remember I have ever used a planar discrete MOSFET). The drain is really physically different from the source, and has a bottom contact. On integrated ICs, MOSFETs are planar, but the body is not shorted to the source. In logic ICs, for instance, it's connected to the rail (gnd for nMOSFETs and Vdd for pMOSFETs). The pull down network of a NAND gate has one of its MOSFET with the source not connected to the body. – next-hack Sep 14 '17 at 12:23
• @next-hack Yes I know that and wanted to include a picture of a vertical MOSFET instead. But the build-up is less easy to recognize compared to the planar type, so especially for a beginner it is less easy to understand where the channel sits for example. So I have simplified things a bit here. – Bimpelrekkie Sep 14 '17 at 12:26
• Ok, I got it :) – next-hack Sep 14 '17 at 12:28

Problem is that your circuit is wrong. You are using NMOS as high-side switch. But you can use NMOS as low-side switch.