5
\$\begingroup\$

What formulas can be used to calculate how much volts and current is needed to get a resistor to heat up to a certain temperature?

I need to get a resistor (or a few next to each other - for more heated surface area) to heat up to about 200 degrees Celsius. It needs to be powered via DC power supply, preferably a few AA-alkaline batteries.

Can you please assist in what I need to look for in constructing this?

\$\endgroup\$
3
  • \$\begingroup\$ What application is this for? Nichrome might help you, there's a lot of uses for it. \$\endgroup\$ May 31 '12 at 15:55
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ As others have said, a typical resistor is not rated for 200C. Heating something up requires power, and a few AA cells don't hold that much power. What is it that you want to heat up, for how long, and how much energy will you draw from your heated surface or object? \$\endgroup\$ May 31 '12 at 21:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ I want to heat up air flowing past. The resistors I looked at was rated up to 350'C. Hmm \$\endgroup\$
    – Pangolin
    Jun 3 '12 at 15:21
15
\$\begingroup\$

Energy and temperature are related via heat capacity:

\$ \Delta T = \dfrac{\Delta Q}{C} \$

where \$ \Delta T \$ is the temperature rise, \$ \Delta Q\$ the net added(thermal) energy, and \$C\$ the heat capacity. The latter depends on the material(s) and specific heat capacity is a fixed property for a substance per unit mass.

Let's assume the specific heat is comparable to that of ceramic, that's about 1 J/(g K). Then for a 7g wirewound 10W resistor:

\$ \Delta T = \dfrac{\Delta Q}{7 g \cdot 1 J/(g K)} \$

so that applying 0.11J (100mW for 1s) gives a temperature rise of

\$ \Delta T = \dfrac{0.1 J}{7 g \cdot 1 J/(g K)} = 0.014°C \$

That's not much, but this is a 10W resistor. Let's do the same for a 1mg 0402 resistor:

\$ \Delta T = \dfrac{0.1 J}{1 mg \cdot 1 J/(g K)} = 100°C \$

ignoring losses to the environment. So you can't say which voltage or power is needed to heat the resistor to 200°C. The small resistor reaches a very high temperature soon, without applying much energy. You'll have to define what thermal energy you need, and then we can talk again.

The 10W resistor referred to can go as high as 250°C as the graph below shows,

enter image description here

but at high environment temperatures it has to be derated, in this case meaning that it can only dissipate 4W instead of 10W at 200°C. That's because it can exchange less heat with the environment if the temperature difference is smaller.

edit
But doesn't the first equation mean that temperature will keep rising if I keep the power on? In theory yes, and you can make a setup where this does happen. In practice no, because as you add energy it will also loose some of it to the environment. The higher the temperature difference, the higher the energy loss. So as you add more energy, temperature will rise, and so will energy loss, until you reach the point where the energy loss equals the added energy. The system is then at an equilibrium and temperature will remain constant.

It's also possible that the environment's temperature also rises. Then the resistor's temperature will follow that rise until the temperature difference is the same again.

The rate at which heat is exchanged depends on the temperature difference and the thermal resistance. The latter is difficult to determine, and is completely depending on how the resistor is placed. You may have to find it experimentally.

Further reading
Thermal resistance, theory and practice

\$\endgroup\$
5
\$\begingroup\$

There are several facets to your question. First, the power dissipated by a resistor can be expressed different ways. Consider Ohm's law, and you can hopefully see that all these are equivalent:

$$ Watts = Volts \times Amps = \dfrac{Volts^2}{Ohms}=Amps^2 \times Ohms $$

But that's only part of the problem. The other part is how many Watts you need to reach the desired temperature. That's a lot harder to answer open loop. For a rough guide, look at a datasheet for a representative resistor. This should show you what the thermal resistance to ambient is. Let's say for sake of example only (I haven't looked and this could be wildly off, your job to get the correct numbers) that some surface mount resistor is rated for 100°C/Watt. That means if you want it to be 100°C above ambient, you have to dump 1 W of electrical power into it.

However, that is just a rough guide. The datasheet can't know the particulars of how much copper (which conducts heat well) is connected to the pads, the thermal conductivity of the subtrate, and of course this varies significantly with rate of air flow. For anything other than very rough temperature control, you need temperature feedback. You would mount a thermistor or other temperature sensor in the middle of the array of resistors and a control loop would vary the voltage or current to the resistors to regulate the temperature.

Yet another issue is that 200°C is above the maximum operating temperature of many resistors. Check the datasheet carefully. You also have to consider whatever material these resistors are mounted on and whether it can take 200°C for extended periods of time. All in all this is a rather more complicated problem than may appear at first glance.

\$\endgroup\$
2
\$\begingroup\$

I would say you can't heat up a bunch of regular resistors up to 200 degrees Celsius without them literally burning up. A better solution would be to use appropriate material for this, like a resistance used in boilers or electric showers.

Also, feeding a resistance like that with AA-alkaline batteries isn't practical, as you would need a lot of them and they wouldn't last very long (the resistance for heaters is typically very low).

As for the formulas, you'll certainly need the power you are applying to the resistance, which you can derive with \$P=V^2/R\$ and something which relates this power to the heating capacity of the body you are trying to control the temperature (more on this soon... I have to dig my memory a bit and I'm a little short of time right now :) )

\$\endgroup\$

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.