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Which commercial oil can i use for isolation of a high voltage transformer+voltage doubler?.The output voltage is about max 60kv.

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    \$\begingroup\$ find the closest distance between the 60Kv electrodes divide your 60Kv with at and that will be the required dielectric strength. \$\endgroup\$ – ratchet freak Sep 21 '17 at 16:10
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    \$\begingroup\$ Use pure mineral oil (which sometimes must be purchased at a pharmacy or chemical supply house.) It also MUST NOT be allowed to oxidize, so you do not want to aerate it or otherwise leave it open to the air. You do NOT want olefinic unsaturated solubles or other aromatic unsaturated crude oil compounds. You want a relatively refined grade that preferably only contains decane and undecane, if possible. Transformer oils are undergoing lots of research now, though. So you may want to see what's going on there. But I'd access mineral oil and just be aware of potential flammable issues. \$\endgroup\$ – jonk Sep 21 '17 at 17:06
  • \$\begingroup\$ See: diyphysics.com/2012/02/09/… \$\endgroup\$ – jonk Sep 21 '17 at 17:18
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Nano: Please capitalise sentences and engineering units properly if you wish to be taken seriously. 'kV' is correct. \$\endgroup\$ – Transistor Sep 21 '17 at 17:34
  • \$\begingroup\$ The correct oil is transformer oil and there are various types. The basic one is used in older oil cooled welding machines. More elaborate in pole transformers, higher specification still in X-Ray sources. Dry mineral oil will be fine for experimentation under supervision if you are not fussy but rather get the right stuff. \$\endgroup\$ – KalleMP Sep 22 '17 at 20:48
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Nynas brand transformer oil is pretty common in this voltage range is rated at 25kV/mm.

When further "processed" in-house it can be up to 75kV/mm.

Typically what happens is when transformer factories get a truckload, they spill out the 1st bucket's worth then fill up their tanks and then sample test it with a slow AC ramp tested with predefined shape smooth electrodes and gap and then measure the breakdown voltage and repeat 10 times.

The results are often all over the map from 25kV to 45kV. Test houses like Heismann will usually void the 1st 10 tests and then take 10 more.

The reason for the variability is due to contaminants like a few particles of dust. Now imagine normal clean office air has 100k particles per cubic foot. Now figure out how you can avoid air and dust.

That may be impossible, even to have a perfectly clean container. Tote boxes are the best idea, not your own.

Chances are your gaps are around 10mm so you might think no sweat. Wrong. What happens is the ionic "dust particles" even in AC are attracted to the electrodes which freely release electrons under an electric field and any ionic "dust" or moisture particles may see a different localized charge level due to a difference in conduction and dielectric constant. Air is 1, Oil is 2 and H2O is 80.

What happens best case? Nothing. Typically? A slow relaxation oscillator in hours, minutes, or seconds detonates the charged particle as it slams into the electrode and goes "tick." Worse condition: it ticks at a steady rate of once per second or once per cycle (like corona) but still may be a quiet tick sound but starts generating H2 in the oil which will try to rise and release. Normally preventive or "Condition Based Monitoring" of HV assets means annual sample testing of oil for dissolved combustible gases like H2, H2C2, H2C4, H4C8. The higher the detonation energy, the higher the activation potential and release potion of the gas.

If you are lucky or good, nothing will happen. But this ticking is called Partial Discharge: PD is the Canary in the mine shaft so if you are aware, no worries. Any AM radio off channel will pick up the tick noise like lighting.

Many are now using processed vegetable oil as it can absorb higher humidity. Bigger transformers than 10MVA usually have air separator bladder bags to keep air out and release Hydrogen.

For a clean solution, use extremely clean high grade isopropyl alcohol that dries on glass without any residue. bake in oven at 180 deg for a few hours Then test with a slow HV ramp for PDIV threshold (Partial Discharge Inception Voltage). Then if normal quickly apply silicone coatings or high quality silicone sprays and build up a layer in a dust-free environment (class 10k or better, like a HEPA laminar air flow booth.)

But for giggles try anything and test for PD activity to get experience and become an expert in this field.

PD rise times vary from picoseconds to nanoseconds, so the RF signature goes past UHF.

P.S. I investigated one local transformer factory that had supplied many to wind farms in the < 10MVA range from 20k to 50kV and they were failing DGA sample tests for H2 levels rising above the lower explosive limit (LEL). It was a million dollar liability issue, so they invited me to find out where the problems were.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I could theoretically use ordinarily vegetable oil from a grocery store ? \$\endgroup\$ – Nano Sep 23 '17 at 23:10
  • \$\begingroup\$ And theoreticaly have continuous PD \$\endgroup\$ – Tony Stewart Sunnyskyguy EE75 Sep 24 '17 at 1:34

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