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There is a electric motor butterfly valve that opens and closes by putting 12v on the motor to open the valve. Reverse the polarity and it closes.

This is the motor and valve in question Powered Electric Exhaust Cut Out Valve Motor

I can see as the valve opens and closes i can see applying voltage for too long will overload the motor because when its closed or open it cant move anymore as the valve hits the side and cant move no more. So if you dont time it right the motor will overload meaning increase in current ? Am i correct?

I see in the picture they are using a simply DPDT toggle switch (ON OFF ON) SWITCH They are way over charging for this switch so i would like to build one myself as im sure its very simple.

Could i add two 3A resettable Fuses one on the negative side of the motor and one on the positive. so when the motor closes and cant close no more the current increases and the fuse kicks in and turns voltage off till i let go of the switch. then again polarity is reversed when i flick the switch the other way and as valve opens and cant no more the other fuse does the same ?

It takes 3 seconds for the valve to open/close but holding the switch down every time counting is not desirable. also the website mentions the motor has a Bumpstop. I cannot find any information on this on google.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ The motor could be engineered to handle the constant voltage when stalled. \$\endgroup\$ – ratchet freak Nov 29 '17 at 11:02
  • \$\begingroup\$ Would my fuses on positive and negative still work ? would like to play it safe \$\endgroup\$ – Mix Bag Nov 29 '17 at 11:20
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    \$\begingroup\$ Check the current drawn by the motor when moving and when stopped at the end of its travel to see if this has already been dealt with \$\endgroup\$ – Chris H Nov 29 '17 at 11:51
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    \$\begingroup\$ If you are messing with the designed solution you must analyse the effect of failures in your modified solution. What happens if that butterfly valve sticks closed - or open? If it's part of an engine, are there consequences of failure in the full throttle position? That's what they're overcharging for, not the switch. \$\endgroup\$ – Brian Drummond Nov 29 '17 at 12:10
  • \$\begingroup\$ A fuse that is intended to operate regularly in this sort of application would be unwise. If you have to close the butterfly after you have just opened it and find that the fuse is in overload condition you may have no control. A smart current limit if no better method is available would be my recommended minimum. \$\endgroup\$ – KalleMP Oct 13 '18 at 6:13
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First you need to figure out if..

A. Does the motor care if it is driven when stalled. Many small motors will quite happily stay stalled almost indefinitely especially when attached to a large metal plate. Handling you holding the switch too long would definitely be anon-issue in this case.

B. Does the motor already have a built in mechanism to cut the power when the load exceeds some threshold. This should be fairly obvious when running it. If it does not you should be able to hear it straining and getting warm. If you can't detect it that way, use an ammeter in series with the switch and see what it does.


Options if neither of those are true.

Resettable Fuse

A resettable fuse is one. However, you would only need one, not two. Put it in the positive wire that comes from the battery before the switch.

However, the fuse would need to be a slow one so that it does not open when the start current flows and would ALSO need to have a reset delay so that it does not just flip on and off rapidly.

These devices are not really intended for high usage, they are more designed to do nothing most of their lives and only act under exception conditions. As such, I would not recommend this approach.

Thermal Sensing

You could add a thermal switch attached to the motor body. If it gets hot, it would cut the power to the motor till it cools down again.

Not exactly a great solution, but it is a safe, and simple one that will help protect you if the switch gets stuck in the closed position.

Smart Current Sensing

A better alternative is to use a circuit that monitors the current and detects the motor hitting the bump stops and then shuts off the motor. Once in that state the circuit would remain off till the demand from the switch changes.

Note, again this circuit needs to be smart enough to ignore the large, changing current, that happens when the motor first starts.

Limit switches / sensors

This is more of a mechanical solution with some wiring. Using two switches and diodes, or sensors, you can detect the end points of the actuator motion and disconnect the power from the motor when it reaches the appropriate position. (See image in Janka's Answer.)

Although a simple fix electrically, this method does of course require some tricky mechanics, especially, in an engine environment where grease, oil, and dirt can bung-up the works.

It does however add a nice feature that you get feedback on the current position and can light a warning light when the thing is open/closed.

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Bumpstop means the drive assembly has two switches which automatically cut power to the motor as soon one of the end positions is reached. To get the motor moving in the other direction, it either has two diodes which parallel those switches internally connected or you had to supply those. Check the datasheet of that drive assembly.

schematic

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

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    \$\begingroup\$ Um no, that would be limit-switches. A bump stop would be purely mechanical. \$\endgroup\$ – Trevor_G Nov 29 '17 at 13:45
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    \$\begingroup\$ I figured people selling items often enough don't know the correct terms either. So it's best to ask the sales person if there are switches built in or not. \$\endgroup\$ – Janka Nov 29 '17 at 14:33
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    \$\begingroup\$ Yup, it's easy enough, and probably quicker, just to test it though. \$\endgroup\$ – Trevor_G Nov 29 '17 at 15:01
  • \$\begingroup\$ If I understood it correctly ("I see in the picture they are using a simply DPDT toggle switch"), the OP hasn't bought this thing yet. \$\endgroup\$ – Janka Nov 29 '17 at 15:34
  • \$\begingroup\$ 900MA when motor closing then when closed i get 2A then i kill the power \$\endgroup\$ – Mix Bag Nov 29 '17 at 19:37

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