# Is there an actual need for the concepts "emf" and "back emf"?

Given a two-terminal element where you can only measure the voltage across terminals $v(t)$ [$v_{ab}(t)$] and the current $i(t)$ defined as entering the positive [a] terminal, there doesn't seem to be a need to introduce concepts as "emf" or "back emf".

Furthermore, in actual use there seems to be inconsistencies in the sign of these elements. For instance, in an inductor, it is well-known that $v_L=L\frac{di_L}{dt}$. This page gives such an expression for a solenoid (with a value of L as a function of its parameters) before talking about "back emf". However, under the title "back emf generated by an inductor" we find the sign changed $V_L=-L\frac{di_L}{dt}$.

So, what's the point of using the "electromotive force EMF" which, according to wikipedia is "the electrical intensity (!) developed by a source" instead of voltage?

Why is there a need to introduce "CEMF" defined, according to wikipedia "the EMF caused by magnetic induction"?

Wouldn't it be reasonable to just use the only variables which can be measured in practice, $v(t)$ and $i(t)$?

• No ..... and your statement has the wrong polarity after "But, in an inductor, ϕB" Both are positive polarity when driving and opposing when reacting to motion ( solenoid) or breaking switch open . Like +EMF is applied to a motor and -EMF as a generator but we consider both examples positive as the current changes direction. CEMF means a voltage is generated from motion that opposes applied voltage causing the motion, thus the current drops. This is Physics 101. Feb 13, 2018 at 22:39
• Try it with a DC motor.... Feb 13, 2018 at 22:40
• @TonyStewart.EEsince'75 is that No there is not need.. or no you have it wrong. Feb 13, 2018 at 22:44
• A switched inductor current always creates a spike voltage in the opposite voltage polarityat the switch. Feb 13, 2018 at 22:45
• No as in the last question. Wouldn't it ... Feb 13, 2018 at 22:46

With two identical coils wound around a magnetic core when you apply a voltage to one coil, the same voltage appears across the terminal of the other coil. This is because the primary voltage sets up a current that induces the same voltage in the secondary coil: -

We don't normally call that secondary voltage a back-emf (or CEMF as in counter emf), we call it an induced voltage.

For the case of a simple DC voltage applied across the primary coil, the primary current that flows is a ramp i.e. di/dt = V/L or, if 1 volt is applied across 1 henry we get current ramping at 1 amp per second.

The current produces a magnetic flux and, if the two coils are identically wound and tightly coupled, we say that the magnetic flux 100% couples between the two coils. That flux (or rather the rate of change of flux) induces the secondary voltage.

Because the rate of change of current is constant, the rate of change of flux is also constant hence we get a constant voltage out for a constant voltage in. We have discovered the transformer!

Induced voltage is $-N \frac{d\phi}{dt}$ but why the minus sign?

Consider this: it's not just the secondary winding that is subject to the changing flux; the primary winding (despite being driven) shares the same magnetic field and it also has a voltage induced in it. That induced voltage, is "opposing" the driving voltage hence it posseses a minus sign. If it didn't have a minus sign then the induced voltage would aid an even bigger current flow and that would aid an even bigger flux and an even bigger induced voltage and the universe would rapidly disintegrate. It's as important as that!

After all, when we make an inductor we know it doesn't behave like a short circuit (despite it being made of virtually zero ohm copper wire) so the back emf opposes the driving voltage and is virtually identical in amplitude to it. This then raises the problem of "how can current flow in an inductor" and, if you delved into the physics (beyond this site) you'd conclude that the rate of change of current in an inductor is caused by minute differences between applied and back-emf.

So, the minus sign indicates a back emf but we don't always use it and that may give rise to some confusion. We don't always use it because of laziness and that fact that when we talk to other engineers wh are "in the know" they understand what we mean.

Is there an actual need for the concepts “emf” and “back emf”?

I'd say yes but would also add "induced emf" to the list.

• High powered audio amps have output diodes to the supply rails to clamp back EMF from large woofers, as the cone/coil attempts to return to its center position.
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Feb 14, 2018 at 1:25
• @Andy aka: I share you explanation until the transformer discovery. But to understand what is happening in the primary (or in a single inductor for the matter) all I need to know is V=Ldi/dt. This tells me everything I need to know. No "opposing" voltages are needed to calculate the current ramp. The constitutive equation directly gives me the rate of change of current, without resorting to back-emf Feb 14, 2018 at 20:58
• @Petrus yes all you need to know is that formula but, if you Want to understand the minus sign you need to recognise that the back emf opposes the driving voltage. Feb 14, 2018 at 21:04
• Are these concepts related to Lenz's Law, and conservation of energy in a transformer? Feb 15, 2018 at 5:48