I've just finished doing my first off-line flyback, which proved a success. A simple block diagram is as follows:

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I know this topology seems common now, for example it is used in Apple USB Charger wall bricks (that video discusses cheap-knock offs, but the principal is still the same).

The problem is, flybacks are very complex beasts to tame. So I started thinking why isn't the following topology just used instead more commonly:

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For the record, I have never designed a power supply using this method (particularly, using a high-voltage buck). But on paper I can't seem to see any problem with it.

Is there any reason one might be preferred over the other?

Both provide the same level of isolation, and depending on the parts used, potentially the same efficiency.

From the block diagram you can say the first process has "less steps", but that doesn't necessarily mean less parts, lower cost, or easier to design by any means.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Because a 50Hz transformer is huge and heavy. \$\endgroup\$ – Janka Oct 19 '18 at 0:08
  • \$\begingroup\$ Simple answer, but makes perfect sense! Totally spaced me. I know they are hefty but I figured a low current one wouldn't be that bad, and if the 12V rail is only pulling 1-5A, the transformer would only need a few hundred milliamps AC on the secondary side. But I guess there's more to it than just current ratings. I'll definitely accept that as an answer if you post it. \$\endgroup\$ – DSWG Oct 19 '18 at 0:13

The main idea of switching type mains supplies is getting rid of the huge, heavy, costly 50Hz transformers.

The size of a transformer is mainly given by its iron core, and that size is controlled by the amount of magnetic flux you have to run through it. You need the core "eat" all the flux (voltage-time) you are stuffing into it during one half-period of the AC on the primary side, before you demagnetize and counter-magnetize it again in the second half-period. The lower the frequency, the longer the time of a half-wave, the more flux.

If your core cannot "eat" all this flux because it's too small, the iron is overexcited and "vanishes" magnetically for the excess flux. You can see this as enormous peaks of primary current if you e.g. run a 120V primary transformer on 240V, or a tightly sized 60Hz transformer on 50Hz. The transformer overheats then, even if there is no secondary current drawn.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Best simple explanation of a transformer I have ever seen +1 \$\endgroup\$ – RoyC Oct 19 '18 at 9:22

In addition to Janka's correct answer, having no bulky 50/60 HZ transformer allows for a PFC (Power Factor Controller) stage, which is a fancy way of saying there is a preliminary switch mode booster before the actual switch mode power supply.

The PFC helps in many ways to keep the DC input voltage at the last SMPS at 300 to 340 VDC, even if the AC outlet drops to 90 VAC. It eliminates the need for a mechanical 120/240 switch and keeps the final SMPS from starving for power by keeping the DC voltage high so the second stage is close to maximum efficiency as much as possible.

Drawback is that an AC outlet with weak source current (it may have other loads on the same circuit) will drop in the amount of AC volts it can supply. When down to 90 VAC a UVLO circuit shuts down the entire power supply until AC outlet has at least 115 VAC, and it will try to startup again.

The overall intent of PFC is to allow a wide range of input voltages (90 to 240 VAC typical). If high enough the PFC has its series boost inductor just pass the current with the boost MOSFET in an OFF state. It is most effective with AC outlets that can maintain their rated voltage above 115 VAC. The harder the PFC has to work the less efficient the entire power supply is. Severe under voltage conditions make PFC add-on's useless in terms of conversion efficiency.


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