In my circuit, I used a simple charger circuit that works fine with standard battery packs that come with an overcharge/discharge protection circuit like this (green PCB inside.) enter image description here

But I have some restrictions in my case and needed to use shaped batteries and found cell phone batteries like this


Currently, there are many batteries from different companies which I can find many good shapes and capacities. I have two questions in general:

  1. Are they as good as these standard batteries, I mean in life quality and capacity?

  2. Do these batteries come with charge/discharge protection circuits? If it varies how can I check them because most of them cannot be opened easily.

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    \$\begingroup\$ There is a wide range of quality in pouch-type lithium ion cells. Usually they do contain protection circuits. I would suggest you spend some time doing research on factories in China that make pouch cells and try to buy from the top tier producers. Try to avoid buying from sources who are unwilling or unable to provide a detailed datasheet. \$\endgroup\$
    – user57037
    Oct 20, 2018 at 21:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ @thanks but I just need a fit for my case. I thought maybe some companies do same with protection circuit on their batteries and I should go for them. I need a battery with protection because I don't want to spend on buying protection circuit. \$\endgroup\$ Oct 21, 2018 at 15:32

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  1. Cellphone batteries are optimized for safety, capacity, and cycle count performance. In that area they are pretty good, since if there were a better technology or chemistry, manufacturers would have used that and presented it as a competitive advantage.
  2. I've seen both, so it varies. Testing is not too hard, but it can be somewhat time-consuming. Discharge the battery to say 2.8 volts (via a power resistor for example) and continue monitoring its voltage as it winds down even further. If at some point the voltage goes to 0V abruptly, then it's because of the protection circuit. I'd discharge it to 2.4 and if it's still not 0V, it's likely an unprotected cell. This assumes that the overdischarge threshold is somewhere in 2.5-2.8 volts, but the exact value depends on the protection IC used, and can be lower than that, as this thread indicates (2.0V on the BL-5C). I do not recommend that you discharge to less than 2.0V "just to be sure", this will be almost sure to permanently damage the cell.

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