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This is the first time I use a High impedance piezo sensor and the problems went pretty quickly.

Here is the piezo I used :

  • Manufacturer part number : PKGS-00GXP1-R
  • Rating : 0.35pC/G (+/- 15%)
  • Range is between 0 to 50 G.

I read that we always need to amplify the piezo signal when it's a charged piezo.

So, I'm trying to make an amplifier for this but I can't make any correlation between the G and the voltage I get from this.

Might as well say that I don't even know how to read the output from the piezo signal!

Here is the amplifier schematic:

schematic

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

Here is a scope view of a small shock.

  • Ch1 yellow : ADC (amplified output signal)

  • Ch2 blue : BS170 Gate (piezo output signal)

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  1. How to read a piezo signal like the signal on the scope? Should I read only the first Edge from the signal like in the image below?
  2. What is pC/G ?
  3. How to make a convertion pC/G to V ?
  4. Is my Amplifier even correct? Any other low-cost suggestion ?

enter image description here image taken from the manufacturer of the piezo (murata)

Lectures about High Impedance sensor:

Precision :

  1. When I said low-cost, I mean, the lower the better. If I can make it under 2$ (piezo not included) it would be awesome.
  2. The sensor is near the MCU. I want to log any shock made to the device. So physically, the piezo is at 5mm of the amp-op input and the amp-op output is direcly linked to the ADC input of the MCU (Will probably add some protection). Everything is on the same PCB.
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    \$\begingroup\$ allaboutcircuits.com/uploads/articles/techart_designCA_1.JPG also if the cable moves and changes Q=CV it creates noise \$\endgroup\$ Dec 14 '19 at 22:22
  • \$\begingroup\$ @TonyStewartSunnyskyguyEE75 I was reading it at the same moment you sent me this. I don't have any cable between the piezo-amplifier and amplifier to the ADC input of my CPU. So I though that using a Voltage Amplifier would be enough as "allaboutcircuits.com" says at the end of paragraph "The Amplification Question". \$\endgroup\$ Dec 14 '19 at 22:28
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    \$\begingroup\$ This datasheet from MuRata says that the sensitivity is \$0.35 \mathrm{pC/g}\$. \$\endgroup\$
    – TimWescott
    Dec 14 '19 at 22:48
  • \$\begingroup\$ I answered from the information you gave, but you need to tell us what bandwidth you need, what accuracy you need, what "low cost" means to you, and maybe give us an outline of what you're actually trying to do with this thing. \$\endgroup\$
    – TimWescott
    Dec 14 '19 at 22:59
  • \$\begingroup\$ @TimWescott you are right! I took the value from the data given by digikey product : digikey.ca/product-detail/en/murata-electronics/PKGS-00GXP1-R/… I update the question \$\endgroup\$ Dec 14 '19 at 23:11
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How to read a piezo signal like the signal on the scope? Should I read only the first Edge from the signal like in the image below?

That depends on your application. I read it as an amplifier that's saturating for the first \$80\mu\mathrm{s}\$ or so, because the gate voltage is wiggly but the FET output is sitting on ground.

What is pC/G ?

Pico Coulombs per g, with \$\mathrm{1g = 9.81 m/s^2}\$. \$0.84 \mathrm{pC/g}\$ means that for a sudden 1g change in acceleration, 0.84 picocoulombs come out (or go into) the piezo device. Typically you'll have the thing loaded with a bit of resistance that'll return its voltage back to zero (or whatever you've biased it at).

How to make a conversion pC/G to V ?

If the piezo has a well-defined capacitance (look in the datasheet) then within its bandwidth the piezo itself will output a voltage of \$k / C_p\$, where \$k = 0.84\mathrm{pC/g}\$ and \$C_p\$ is the piezo's capacitance. In that case, you could follow it with a plain old voltage amplifier of the appropriate gain and bandwidth.

The datasheet I found lists an output capacitance of \$390\mathrm{pF} \pm 30\%\$. That's a pretty large range. Add that to the sensitivity variation of \$\pm 15\%\$ and if you depend on the output capacitance for accuracy then your overall variation is somewhere around \$\pm 50\%\$. That means you either make inaccurate measurements or you calibrate each sensor.

If you want to increase accuracy, then you'd need to make an amplifier with a low input impedance through the range of frequencies that you're interested in, and make sure it's stable. There's not nearly enough information in your question for me to know if that's necessary or desirable.

Is my Amplifier even correct? Any other low-cost suggestion ?

That depends on what you want out of it. I'm not sure that, with a 5V supply, you can even count on that working for every transistor you put in there, or over any sort of temperature range. I'd be far more inclined to use an inexpensive op-amp in non-inverting mode, but your "low cost" may be lower than mine.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Thanks a lot @TimWescott, I will try the op-amp in non-inverting mode. Once it's all connected I will try to make the correlation between the pC/G with the voltage at the output. I will also verify the accuracy with the spec. I updated my question with some precision. I will give a feedback of my results in the next week. \$\endgroup\$ Dec 14 '19 at 23:46
  • \$\begingroup\$ Your answer at "How to make a conversion pC/G to V ?" is just perfect. Thanks again! \$\endgroup\$ Dec 14 '19 at 23:50
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    \$\begingroup\$ Pay attention to the op-amp's input bias current -- you'll probably want to use a CMOS or JFET-input op-amp, and you'll want to bias the input with some high-valued resistors (how high will depend on how low in frequency you need to go). \$\endgroup\$
    – TimWescott
    Dec 14 '19 at 23:53

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