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Electronic circuit schematic with grounding Electronic circuit schematic without grounding Circuit simulation with error, but work Circuit simulation with no error but doesn't work

Already so many discussions about grounding. But the more I read, the more I got confuse as there are many disputes. The above are cases where grounding are quite confusing. Grounding or earthing, I consider are same. There stacked lines, three parallel diagonal lines, and a triangle pointing down I consider are same function even they are referring to specific purpose. In this case the picture 1 also is not valid using them. But for now, we may forget it.

The first schematic is showing a simple circuit with grounding. The second picture also a simple circuit schematic without grounding. As you can see, both are designed by two professors from two high class universities.

The third and the fourth picture are schematic of a boost converter I designed in an online electronic software design here, which the source voltage is 5V DC output of USB or 5V DC Power Bank, and expected the output voltage will be around 12V DC. The third picture shows one warning 1 bad connection, but it works. The fourth circuit shows no warning (except telling that no resistor to the grounding line) but the circuit doesn't work. It only loop between the capacitor and the 1k ohm resistor. If I add resistor between the circuit and the grounding sign, then circuit works exactly as what is in the picture three, without grounding, and also show the same error, 1 bad connection.

Then my question, what is the canonical (valid) rule to put grounding in schematic? And what is that grounding for? As I knew, sometimes grounding place in a schematic is due to the complexity of the schematic which is not easy to connect them to a common line which will finally connect to the neutral (0V) of the source.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ In CircuitLab also I have to put grounding to make it work. [here] (i.stack.imgur.com/YveJZ.png) is a drawing of CircuitLab. \$\endgroup\$ – AirCraft Lover Jan 7 '20 at 1:04
  • \$\begingroup\$ It's not worth writing an answer for this, if I follow your quandary. Imagine a simple schematic with just a 9 V battery and a 10 k Ohm resistor across the terminals. What voltage is the left side of the resistor? What voltage is the right side? It might be a 1000 V and 1009 V. Or it might be 19 V and 10 V. The point here is that the difference is always 9 V. But there is no meaning to any absolute numbers. So, by convention, we force ONE node to be zero. Doesn't matter which one. You call it. Everything else is then specified because they are all relative to that point, now. \$\endgroup\$ – jonk Jan 7 '20 at 4:01
  • \$\begingroup\$ you have to tell CircuitLab which point to use as a reference ... same with the schematics in the first picture, you have tell people where you connected the ground lead of your oscilloscope probe \$\endgroup\$ – jsotola Jan 7 '20 at 4:08
  • \$\begingroup\$ move the ground reference point to different parts of the circuit in CircuitLab ... see what happens \$\endgroup\$ – jsotola Jan 7 '20 at 4:13
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    \$\begingroup\$ There is no actual requirement to have a ground connection or symbol in a schematic. If the circuit is not truly earthed then indicating ground is mostly a convenience. Therefore, what you are looking for does not exist. There is no canonical rule for indicating grounding in a schematic. Furthermore, the standards for what kind of symbol is used for a non-earthed ground may vary by region. \$\endgroup\$ – Elliot Alderson Jan 7 '20 at 13:18
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In most electronics, the Ground symbol simply marks the point in the circuit that we consider "Zero Volts" - the reference point for voltage measurements elsewhere in the circuit. It is the point in the circuit where we connect our meter's black lead, or oscilliscope ground clip.

Circuit simulators require a Ground symbol somewhere on the circuit so they know what point we want to consider "Zero Volts".

The Ground symbol in most circuits does not imply a connection to the earth. We can talk about "Ground" when discussing aircraft wiring, or your battery-powered circuit on a breadboard, where there is no possibility of a connection to the earth.

However, in AC power wiring, the Green or bare Ground wire really is (or should be) connected to the earth.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I agree with all your comment. Unfortunately, doesn't match to the problem. I take this part: Circuit simulators require a Ground symbol somewhere on the circuit so they know what point we want to consider "Zero Volts".. Unfortunately, in my picture three, by put the grounding made the networks doesn't work properly, as I have explained in my question body. \$\endgroup\$ – AirCraft Lover Jan 7 '20 at 2:10
  • \$\begingroup\$ @AirCraftLover This is the correct answer. The problems with your particular simulation don't change it. Your simulator looks sketchy to me...try using something more professional. \$\endgroup\$ – Elliot Alderson Jan 7 '20 at 2:42
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Grounding or earthing, I consider are same.

Grounding means two dramatically different things, depending.

Safety Ground

What I call Equipment Safety Ground (and NEC calls Equipment Grounding Conductor) is the third pin on your AC plug. It is (supposed to be) connected to actual earth. It's meant to be a safety shield only, and current must never flow on it except during fault conditions.

Common or 0V ref

Then, you have electronics "GND" aka "Vss". You're basically taking one of your power supply outputs and arbitrarily declaring it to be the "common" and the 0V reference point. A lot of circuitry is designed this way, with everything having a relationship with that zero point -- take PCs, or automobiles, or electric railway traction power.

And since so many things have a relationship with that "common", you don't bother fastidiously drawing in a serpentine Vss wire to every single point that uses it. You just draw the down-triangle, three lines, whatever and call it a day. Everyone knows "this is common/Vss."

I've seen schematics where they did the same thing to Vcc ... having an up-triangle to indicate grabbing it.

Often, this is reasonable. On 4-layer boards, 2 of the layers are often used as Vcc and Vss, doubling as RF containment, so it is literally a matter of "just grab it".

But only one??

However, using GND to mean "common" is entirely pointless if there is only one such connection. That is the problem with your drawing. You have one connection to GND. Current flows in loops, so a solitary connection to the hypothetical common-plane does your circuit no good at all. It would make sense if you omitted the lower rail altogether and had each device go to GND instead.

When I saw that, I figured it was an attempt to tie your DC system to the AC mains Equipment Safety Ground system.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ The bad connection in the first one is highlighted in red, actually. it's on the pulse source. \$\endgroup\$ – Hearth Jan 7 '20 at 1:31
  • \$\begingroup\$ ok thanks @Hearth. \$\endgroup\$ – Harper - Reinstate Monica Jan 7 '20 at 1:41
  • \$\begingroup\$ If you consider that Grounding means two dramatically different things, depending, then the grounding symbol used by Prof. Sam Ben-Yacoov above was not correct as it is symbol for signaling, The correct grounding symbol is three stacked horizontal line as in the picture 4. So, picture 4 should be working properly. Unfortunately, it doesn't work, as I have explained. The working schematic is circuit 3. \$\endgroup\$ – AirCraft Lover Jan 7 '20 at 2:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ As I said, my focus is why the schematic without grounding working correctly while the schematic schematic with grounding is not working? I run in CircuitLab which is embedded to this Stack Exchange also must use grounding. You may try it. \$\endgroup\$ – AirCraft Lover Jan 7 '20 at 2:17
  • \$\begingroup\$ @AirCraftLover yes, I'd agree, the use of a single ground like that is odd. Perhaps this is the writer giving us a visual cue as to which wire to conceptually think of as "common". This for sure, ut's a stylistic embellishment that the software does not like. \$\endgroup\$ – Harper - Reinstate Monica Jan 7 '20 at 2:17
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In electronics circuit there are no physical ground. These ground are used to show zero voltage. In real physical circuit don't use ground. It is replaced here by negative. In electrical wiring ground is used and it is not same as neutral. In software like Proteus there is need to put ground terminal cause there we use power and ground septate and in physical separate power supply dosent work we need to connect their negative terminal together to make it work.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Ground not necessarily "is replaced here by negative" \$\endgroup\$ – Huisman Jan 7 '20 at 12:00
  • \$\begingroup\$ Of course there can be a physical ground in an electronics circuit. Also, remember that ground and earth do not mean the same thing. \$\endgroup\$ – Elliot Alderson Jan 7 '20 at 13:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ Earth and ground are same; neutral earth is diff \$\endgroup\$ – Swapnil Dhobale Jan 8 '20 at 13:13

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