# Calculation of magnetic field saturation inside coil core

I want to try to make an electromagnet, but I don't have soft-iron available. I've read that ferrite MnZn are suitable as soft-iron to create a high efficiency magnets with the inconvenient of lower magnetic saturation.

I'd like to know If with my specifics I can occur in this saturation range. Magnet will be activated with a frequency of 10 kHz to control and keep current at 1A-1.5A. About 50 turns are applied. Dimensions of core are 10mm diameter and length 30mm Ferrite type is an MnZn. Relative permeability from datasheet 15000µ/µ₀ at 10kHz, permeability µ₀ 0.3*10-3 H/m at 10kHz.

Applying this equation: B = µ₀ * N * I / L

I've

• µ₀ 0.3*10-3 H/m
• N 50
• I 1.5A
• L 0.030m

B = 0.6 * 10-4

Can be this value be so low and can I be so far from saturation? Even if I apply 10A I'm very far from saturation. This mean that saturation is something that occur in very particular applications where high current, lengths and number of turn are involved?

• But also, you won't have a closed magnetic path, so this electromagnet won't have strong pull force. Commented Jan 20, 2020 at 17:52
• Link the data sheet please. Commented Jan 20, 2020 at 17:52

Apart from the fact that you are probably misusing the length dimension of the ferrite, you are also miscalculating flux density quite badly (See further below).

The length dimension for a ferrite core is the closed loop length that the magnetic field travels along and, for an electromagnet, it has to include the air gap. Any small amount of air gap will reduce the effective pemeability of the core to a value closer to air. You need to calculate the effective permeability and not use the initial permeability stated in the material data sheets.

## Values

• $$\μ_0 = 4π × 10−7\$$ H/m
• $$\μ_0\cdot μ_R = 0.01885\$$ H/m
• $$\H = \dfrac{NI}{\text{length}} = \$$50 turns x 1 amp / 0.03 metres = 1667 amp_turns per metre

Therefore B = 31.4 teslas.

Can be this value be so low and can I be so far from saturation?

No, you've made a math error somewhere.

• Whew. Okay. I got the same numbers as Andy, but am unfamilair with these calculations so wasn't sure if I was the one making the mistake. The OP is supposed to be using the actual permeability in the equation, not the relative permeability or the permeability of free space. Commented Jan 20, 2020 at 21:49
• Yep. Now it's 100x times saturated. Commented Jan 20, 2020 at 21:53
• Might I ask where you got this image from? Commented May 28, 2022 at 4:43
• @KEY_ABRADE I can't remember but it was found using google. OK I found it in this slide show: slidetodoc.com/… Commented May 28, 2022 at 8:57