# Ripple voltage for LDO

I would like to understand how to calculate the ripple voltage of an LDO.

Suppose I don't have an electrolytic capacitor. I have a 3.3V output loaded with 50mA max with a ceramic output capacitor of 10uF. How to find the LDO output ripple voltage? If I have an electrolytic capacitor, I will multiply the ESR of the electrolytic capacitor with my maximum load current. Is that correct?

• LDO and "Ripple voltage" suggest there is some AC voltage involved somewhere which you have told us nothing about. Mar 22, 2020 at 17:11
• A linear regulator doesn't inherently produce ripple voltage like a switching regulator does. It's ripple will depend on input voltage ripple and output current ripple, mainly. Mar 22, 2020 at 17:11
• @ThePhoton , could you please provide a bit of an answer. How does it depend on output current ripple?
– user220456
Mar 23, 2020 at 5:37

Linear regulators (LDO regulators are a sub-class of linear regulators) don't have ripple in the same way that switching power supplies have ripple. You cannot calculate the noise on the output of the regulator just from its output voltage, the current, and the value of the output capacitor.

A linear regulator will have some noise generated by the resistances inside it.

A linear regulator will also allow some amount of any noise or ripple present on its input through to the output.

The noise the regulator produces will be specified in the datasheet.

How much noise and ripple the regulator lets through from its input to its output will also be specified in its datasheet. This will depend on the frequency of the ripple and noise present at the input.

You can't find the noise parameter for the chip you want to use because the datasheet doesn't specify it. That chip has a linear regulator built in to it, but the chip itself is not primarily a regulator.

Compare your datasheet to the datasheet for the LM1117.

The LM1117 has a lot of charts about all kinds of performance characteristics that your datasheet doesn't mention at all.

The LM1117 datasheet has a specific mention of ripple rejection in the electrical chatacteristics. It also tells you how much noise from the chip itself you can expect in the output:

That's from page 6 of the LM1117 datasheet.

It tells you you can expect at least 60dB of ripple rejection at 20Hz. That is, any ripple at 20Hz present at the input will be reduced by 60dB on the output.

Now turn to page 9 of the LM1117 datasheet. This chart shows you the ripple rejection as a function of frequency:

Note that this is again ripple rejection. That is, suppression of garbage coming in to the regulator, not ripple that the regulator generates. Linear regulators don't produce ripple - although they might oscillate and destroy themselves if you don't follow the manufacturers recommendations on input and output capacitors.

The "RMS output noise" is all the noise from the regulator that you can expect.

If the noise performance of the regulator is critical to your circuit then the TJA1128 is the wrong regulator to use because it tells you very little about the performance of the regulator it has built in to it.

• I am using this LDO - nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/TJA1128-DS.pdf . Where to find the parameter of the noise that the LDO produces as you mentioned in your answer? I couldn't find the terms as ripple and noise from the datasheet. Could you please tell me where to look for the parameters which you mentioned in your answer?
– user220456
Mar 23, 2020 at 5:39
• You can't find the noise parameter fir that chip because the datasheet doesn't specify it. That chip has a linear regulator built in to it, but the chip itself is not primarily a regulator.
– JRE
Mar 23, 2020 at 9:08

This TI appnote goes into detail about linear regulator characteristics. http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slva079/slva079.pdf

tl; dr version: line regulation and load regulation vary with regulator type. Check the datasheet, and consider your line and load transients to estimate ripple.

The example you give doesn’t have any load or line transient characteristics, so the only remaining noise would be thermal noise from the regulator itself. That’s also given in the datasheet, and it’s vanishingly small except for the most critical applications.

To really figure out ripple before you build, the best way is to model the regulator and its bypassing / loading using Spice. To do a good job of this you will need to know the transient characteristics for line and load and build that into the sim.

• Could you provide an example of Line and Load transients and how to check for it with the LDO?
– user220456
Mar 23, 2020 at 5:40