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I'm looking for modern control protocols, designs and/or components to simplify controlling (and running) a very low power system on a chip safely from mains power. I'm in the USA, and on a hobby budget. Consumer trends here are of interest, but so is the National Electric Code. Surely the world has come a long way since X10.

Has Bluetooth LE (BLE) made the older power-line communications standards old-hat? Are there ways of coupling BLE into the power-line that are considered good practices?

==Research Update==

I found the datasheet on the Cypress Semiconductor CY8CPLC10 I was referring to earlier (below). Cypress labels it a Integrated Power-line Modem PHY using 2400 bps FSK. That part number suggests its based on the PSOC-1 (8-bit) 5 generations behind their current 32-bit models. I don't think I care about the 8-bit part if I can treat it as a re-programmed modem.

However, the Digikey listing however has some sort of end-of-life notice link, dated July 2019. But that EOL notice seems to be for a CCS7331P-CAZR from Cirrus Logic. Seems like a different device, can anyone clarify what that means?

Also featured in the datasheet is: "Reference Designs Comply with CENELEC EN50065-1:2001 and FCC Part 15". I know what Part 15 is, but I'm not familiar with CENELEC. Seems to have something to do with the 131.5 KHz to 133.5 KHz band.

==What I've tried == (earlier)

A web power-supply-only web search like AC DC Isolated Power 3.3V uA turns up the sort of component I might use for PS alone. Some quite quite inexpensive while still claiming up to 3kV isolation. It even seems like there are some defacto standard pin-outs for these board mounted power supplies. E.g. ebay "1PC NEW AC DC Isolated Power Board Precision 12V300mA 3W 3.5W" at $1.99 quantity one.

But if I add the PLC part AC DC Isolated Power 3.3V uA with power line communications, the results disappoint me.

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==Background==

The Cypress Semiconductor PSOC 5LP illustrates the class of SOC i'm looking to use as a building block. Its got a pretty wide DC input range, so I'm not even sure if I need a regulated supply.

I'm not tied the PSOC family, but I've found it to be very low-cost prototyping friendly. This sort of device has some impressive programmable analog and digital blocks that might make sense to leverage to keep chip count to a minimum. As I remember, Cypress had a PLC product line some years back, but it seems they are out-of-the-game. None of Cypress's current applications notes seem to make recommendations.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ not a full answer but en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug is pretty much the standard for anything within a home/single building. It's not elegant but you could tunnel ethernet through powerline adapters and run BLE extenders that plug into ethernet. \$\endgroup\$ – nvuono Apr 4 '20 at 2:28
  • \$\begingroup\$ I'm using TPLink power line internet devices to get my computer on my network right now!!! \$\endgroup\$ – Scott Seidman Apr 4 '20 at 19:27
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very low power system

Either you have very low power consumption requirements, or you have access to mains power.

I think you're overestimating what a microcontroller needs in power. Modulating information onto a powerline needs way much more power than your microcontroller would need for generation of that data!

system on a chip safely from mains power.

Can't exist: Mains power means you need galvanical isolation from anything you might ever touch, and transient protection and the fact that you really need your digital system to have a somewhat stable notion of ground means, this can't be done without a transformer, really. No single system on chip can be a complete powerline modem!

Has Bluetooth LE (BLE) made the older power-line communications standards old-hat?

No, because it's something completely different, and fulfills a completely different niche. That's like asking whether airplanes have made tunnel drilling machines obsolete...

Are there ways of coupling BLE into the power-line that are considered good practices?

Neither. BLE is a 2.4 GHz ISM-band standard, and uses a bandwidth that would be considered very wide in powerline terms, so that you need a very complex equalizing system to work with the powerline channel, even if you could mix things down from 2.4 GHz to 0-1 MHz. The point is that the BLE signal is designed so that it's easy to transmit over the air at 2.4 GHz. That's something very different from being easy to transmit over a powerline channel!

Again, the problems over the air and on the power line are completely different, and that leads to different solution being "easy" or "sensible".

Surely the world has come a long way since X10.

Yes, there's multiple low-rate standards for metering and control over powerline.

The Cypress Semiconductor PSOC 5LP illustrates the class of SOC i'm looking to use as a building block.

You're solving the easy problem, which is getting analog signal in and out of a microprocessor core.

The hard problem with powerline is the fact that, unlike an antenna, the impedance of a power line is low (obviously, otherwise power wouldn't reach you), and varies with time, and the channel is terrible.

So, really, at your point, you need a ready-made modem, including a safe coupler frontend – after all, we're talking lethal voltages here, and you can easily burn down your house with badly constructed thing that you plug directly into your power outlet.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I recall that there are some mains communications standards: "G.hn" and "AV2." But I'm not certain about any details. I think such modems aren't terribly expensive to buy, though. I bought a pair of G.hn wave 2 units for less than USD40, recently. Each unit has an ethernet connector jack and just plugs into the wall. \$\endgroup\$ – jonk Apr 4 '20 at 4:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ Thanks Marcus. Perhaps I didn't pose it well, I understand for the SOC can't be the PS or PLC modem, and that I need isolation. I'll update the question to expand a bit. \$\endgroup\$ – Burt_Harris Apr 4 '20 at 17:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ I've read the edit – you're still far, far off. Really, reliable powerline communication is not that simple. \$\endgroup\$ – Marcus Müller Apr 4 '20 at 18:04
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One of the most interesting looking modern technology for the PLC space is one called PRIME (PLC). Primary use for PRIME seems to be in Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI), but the snippets I've found make it seem potentially useful in other applications.

A PRIME introduction video presents the high level goals, including openness. The publicly accessible Specification for PoweRline Intelligent Metering Evolution version 1.4 (dated 2014) spec provides plenty of technical details. Specification Abstract

This is a complete specification for a new OFDM-based power line communication system for the provision of all kinds of Smart Grid services over electricity distribution networks. Both PHY and MAC layers according to IEEE conventions, plus a Convergence layer, are described in the Specification.

There seem to be multiple silicon vendors in the space, including Microchip and ST. Recent silicon products supporting this seem also to be able implement other sub-500 kHz power-line communications.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ This is all true but would not apply in any way to a hobbyist. The openness they talk about is openness between grid operators. Hobbyists would not be transmitting anything over electricity distrubution networks. \$\endgroup\$ – nvuono Apr 6 '20 at 16:07
  • \$\begingroup\$ @nvuono, why wouldn't the same ODFM modulation PHY, MAC layer, and chipsets work within a house, business or industrial plant? I'm not proposing long-distance communications with it, but local. \$\endgroup\$ – Burt_Harris Apr 7 '20 at 4:25

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