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I came across a reference design on a TI application imaged here: enter image description here

It is clear to me that there is a bandpass filter on the negative loopback branch of the amplier. However, from the few electronics classes I have taken in school, typically the input is seen where the group is placed. Is there any purpose as to why?

From the figure, I deduced the transfer function as:

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That is mainly just a sanity check that I can workout the transfer characteristics properly.

This is my first post so don't rip me apart (or do, if I so deserve it.)

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  • \$\begingroup\$ What do you mean with 'input' and 'group'? It would be much clear if you refer to specific nodes or components \$\endgroup\$
    – MPA95
    Sep 2, 2020 at 4:30
  • \$\begingroup\$ Also, is it a bandpass filter or a band stop filter ? \$\endgroup\$
    – AJN
    Sep 2, 2020 at 5:06
  • \$\begingroup\$ Its a combo HPF, LPF, vs a resonant BPF. With method Zf is independent of 1 / Zin \$\endgroup\$ Sep 2, 2020 at 5:40
  • \$\begingroup\$ I deleted my comment regarding - input following the + input. Simulation shows that it is isn't. That was a wrong assumption on my part. \$\endgroup\$
    – AJN
    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ The transfer function you have "deduced" is wrong, \$\endgroup\$
    – LvW
    Sep 2, 2020 at 8:36

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In thinking thru such circuits, one approach is to have the INPUT be still, unmoving. Then examine the "noise" response.

In this opamp circuit, if the Vin is unmoving (Vin+), then the opamp strives to make the other input also be unmoving.

If Vin- is unmoving, then the networks around Vin- are DECOUPLED, and you can examine them separately.

The network to Ground is a high_pass filter. This is easy to see, if you realize DC impedance is infinite, making the total gain be Feedback/infinity.

The Feedback network is a low_pass filter, and at very high frequencies the impedance IS zero, so the total gain is Zero/Input_network_impedance = zero.

If you properly set the two corner frequencies, you have a well-controlled passband with gain set by Rfeedback/Rin. In this case, gain is R5/R6. For accurate gain in the "passband" (accurate within a few percent), you need a passband width of several decades (such as 100Hz to 10,000Hz, not quite adequate for audio signals).

Here the low_frequency time_constant (as someone tries to SLOWLY SLOWLY move thru the field_of_view of the PIR, is 33uF * 40Kohm. This is 1.3 second time_constant, thus by moving VERY SLOWLY, you can trespass at will.

The upper end is 100pF and 15Meg ohm. Given 1pF and 1MegOhm is 1 uS, we easily compute a 1.5 millisecond time_constant, or about 100Hz upper corner (F3dB, 45 degree phase shift). Note this DOES NOT attenuate 60Hz energy, thus electro_static power line interference may be a problem; some thinking about shielding might be useful to prevent surprises, or false triggers.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ i can see from an example of a practical differentiator that if creates a "pass band" where we can control the gain in that region by resistor values. So my question is, within the pass band, is the gain not effected by the caps in the circuit above because these essentially determine the BW of the passband, where the resistors control the gain of the pass band? And since its in a non inverting amplifier configuration, pass band frequencies essentially see a regular resistor only non inverting amplifier? \$\endgroup\$
    – Paul Kumar
    Sep 8, 2020 at 22:45
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This op-amp appears to be used in a non-inverting configuration, meaning the input comes from the positive terminal and the other side is grounded. However, a feed back network is still useful to control the poles and zeroes of the system.A bandpass filter resembling one of the more complex feedback networks. I am assuming PIR stands for passive infrared sensor and that is what is providing the input.

I think that might answer your question about the location of the input, but more about the how the feedback network actually influences output must me in the TI paper. Maybe you can leave a link in the comments.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ The feedback path is obviously a bandstop filter! \$\endgroup\$
    – LvW
    Sep 2, 2020 at 8:30
  • \$\begingroup\$ the feedback path is bandpass. \$\endgroup\$
    – Paul Kumar
    Sep 7, 2020 at 21:45
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Your equation has one big mistake: you’ve added R5 and Zc1 but they are in fact in parallel.

There are 3 independent filters going on here:

The input coupling of C1 with the parallel combo of R3 and R4 yields a .02Hz high pass. This is undoubtedly intended merely as a DC blocker. It is meant to pass all non-zero frequencies.

The R6 and C3 cutoff frequency is not much higher, at just 0.12 Hz. So for any frequency >1Hz or so we can treat C3 as a short and only R6 is in the circuit.

Finally, C2 and R5 form a cutoff at 106Hz. For frequencies below that C2 is pretty much a non-factor, leaving only the huge R5.

This leaves us with a cirucuit that has a gain of R5/R6 (50dB) for frequencies in about the 0.2Hz-50Hz range, dropping off to zero at DC (with the 3dB point at 0.12Hz) and a high end rolloff at 106Hz that drops to a minimum gain of 1.0.

I would call this either a bandpass filter, or just a low pass with a DC blocker. Or I suppose more accurately, a "low shelf filter" as the high end gain doesn't go to zero but to unity.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ thanks! I figured that out in the end i guess i should have added that as an edit to the post. will make note of that and change! \$\endgroup\$
    – Paul Kumar
    Sep 14, 2020 at 0:28

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