# Why doesn't the following circuit have negative feedback?

Consider: The Sedra book says that it's a Schmitt trigger, so there is positive feedback, but why doesn't it have negative feedback as well?

• It has both negative feedback and positive feedback
– S.s.
Nov 19, 2020 at 16:53
• I believe it is a matter of degree. You can make either positive or negative feedback dominate over the other, and thus the circuit as a whole, by changing values. Nov 19, 2020 at 16:59
• Yes, one has to calculate the feedback factor "beta" for the positive and negative feedback, the overall feedback is the difference between the two. In this circuit positive feedback dominates.
– S.s.
Nov 19, 2020 at 17:11
• It is an astable multivibrator. Nov 19, 2020 at 17:29
• What is "Sedra book"? Microelectronic Circuits? Nov 20, 2020 at 1:59

Why doesn't the following circuit have negative feedback?

It does have negative feedback and, once the positive feedback (R1 and R2) has done its job, that dominant positive feedback is gradually eroded by the slower negative feedback caused by R and C. After a short while (determined by R and C), the op-amp inputs are equal in value and a very, very short time later, the op-amp output will change from being end-stopped against one power rail to rapidly changing in a direction towards the other power rail. And, at this point, positive feedback will kick in once more and, once again, it will be gradually eroded by the slower negative feedback. Cycling and repeating.

Sedra book says that it's a Schimitt Trigger

It uses a Schmitt trigger, but, in its entirety, it isn't just a Schmitt trigger.

• Thank you! I got it. Nov 21, 2020 at 16:58

The circuit is a Schmitt (after Otto Schmitt) trigger with an added R-C, to make an oscillator. R2, R1, and the op-amp form the Schmitt trigger.

• However, is there any negative feedback here? Nov 20, 2020 at 10:31
• @Circuitfantasist Yes, obviously there is delayed negative feedback around the Schmitt trigger proper. Nov 20, 2020 at 16:30
• How can we talk about a negative feedback when both amplifier gain and feedback network gain are zero? Nov 21, 2020 at 0:39

The circuit belongs to so-called relaxation oscillators in which the voltage on a capacitor "travels" between the two thresholds of a comparator with hysteresis ("Schmitt trigger").

There is no negative feedback in this circuit; there is only a positive feedback during the insignificantly short transition time (I mean the phenomenon and not the physical connection between the output and inverting input). During this extremely short time interval, the voltage at the inverting input practically stays constant (the voltage of a charged capacitor cannot quickly change)... and the transfer ratio of the RC feedback network is almost zero.

To observe the feedback phenomenon (both positive and negative), the amplifier must operate in a linear mode (its output voltage must not have reached the supply rails). Here this is valid only for the short moment of transition. The rest of the time the output voltage is constant (positive or negative)... and the op-amp output simply acts as a DC voltage source that charges/discharges the capacitor through a resistor. In other words, "the amplifier is not an amplifier"...

An example of a circuit having both positive and negative feedback is the negative impedance converter (NIC). There the negative feedback dominates; so the op-amp always operates in a linear mode and the output voltage does not reach the supply rails.