Are Schmitt triggers able to be declared as having memory? Can we call their output levels states?
Can we declare Schmitt triggers to have memory? Can we call their output levels states? [closed]
\$\begingroup\$ Only with the addition of more circuitry and only with specific design rules and requirements and specific arrangements. But if the details can be made to meet such very specific design criteria then those details can be arranged so that one trigger element represents one memory bit when nestled within that surrounding arrangement. The unique hysteresis of certain, crafted tiny toroids and their surrounding circuitry used in "core memory" is one such example. It could also be arranged using active circuitry exhibiting certain hysteresis requirements, too. \$\endgroup\$– jonkDec 15, 2020 at 9:47
4\$\begingroup\$ @jonk is that not a bit too strict a definition of "memory"? \$\endgroup\$– BeB00Dec 15, 2020 at 10:57
\$\begingroup\$ @BeB00 It's not memory by itself. But its an enabling feature of memory. I guess the decision, yea vs nay, depends on a question's scope and meaning. So I'll leave it to others to worry about. I'm just pushing the discussion boundaries to see where people land. Not claiming some superior right to decide. That's why it's a comment. \$\endgroup\$– jonkDec 15, 2020 at 11:04
1\$\begingroup\$ @jonk I guess I would say that either the system has memory, or it is memoryless, and it is definietly not memoryless (as mentioned by marcus) \$\endgroup\$– BeB00Dec 15, 2020 at 18:31
3\$\begingroup\$ Schmidt has two stable states, the essential characteristic of a static binary memory cell. \$\endgroup\$– John DotyDec 16, 2020 at 0:28
Yes, "memory" in the sense of "this system is not memoryless" is any difference in behaviour that depends on previous internal or external state.
Since the exact idea of a Schmitt trigger is that the switching threshold depends on the state, yeah, that's a system with memory.
2\$\begingroup\$ Yes, this becomes very clear if implementing a Schmitt trigger in software (analogue / A/D input). The last output state must be stored somewhere for it to work. \$\endgroup\$ Dec 16, 2020 at 3:15
A latch is like the simplest form of memory. If you configure a Schmitt trigger as a latch, it is not a stretch to call it one bit of memory. But any buffer can be set up as a latch.
I guess I am interpreting this as kind of a digital question. But the other answers which are coming from a slightly different angle are also very thoughtful.
If the input voltage is in the range between threshold voltages then the ST has memory.
The output state depends on the history of inputs.
Otherwise the output is predictable from the input voltage, and has no dependency on history.
For example, a ST could be made like this:
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
The DC input is 0V (at the left sides of R4/R2), which is in between the two thresholds of about +/-800mV).
The output is set and reset by the edges of V3 (ignore the 0V at the beginning, that's a kind of simulator artifact- the ST is balanced on knife-edge- a metastable condition).
\$\begingroup\$ Not all op-amps work when used as comparators/Schmitt triggers (e.g. due to phase inversion). \$\endgroup\$ Dec 16, 2020 at 3:11
A Schmitt trigger is only a memory if you assume that you have a ternary logic system, where the three possible input conditions are valid 0, valid 1, and something in between.
If you are talking about a strict binary logic system, where all signals are either at a logic 0 or a logic 1, then a Schmitt trigger does not have memory.
\$\begingroup\$ OP asked whether a Schmidt trigger has memory. (Yes, it has.) They did not ask whether a Schmidt trigger could be used as a practical memory component that was ready to plug and play with any particular digital logic family. (No, that wouldn't work because of what you said.) \$\endgroup\$ Dec 15, 2020 at 19:00
\$\begingroup\$ My point that is that the question of whether a Schmitt trigger has memory or state depends on the context of the question. If you are talking about an electrical system then is does, but if you are talking about a binary logic system then it does not. \$\endgroup\$ Dec 15, 2020 at 20:24
\$\begingroup\$ @ElliotAlderson I feel like, in general system terms, a system is either memoryless or not. If it is not memoryless, it must have memory. You can then classify what type of memory it has, but it still has memory generally (in my opinion) \$\endgroup\$– BeB00Dec 16, 2020 at 1:27
\$\begingroup\$ @BeB00 I am OK with your definition, I just thought that the OP might not have a good grasp of the abstract notion of "system". Sounds like a student question to me. \$\endgroup\$ Dec 16, 2020 at 14:06
\$\begingroup\$ "Something in between" in circuits with hysteresis, like "high-impedance state" in 3-state buffers, is not another (third) logic state; it is an electric state. Schmitt trigger is just an RS latch whose one input (R) is inverted and joined with the other input (S) like a D flip-flop with a level clock. In the 555 timer, the two inputs can be separated. There are such applications where 555 is used as an RS latch. \$\endgroup\$ Dec 16, 2020 at 22:31
The hysteresis phenomenon caught my attention in the early 80's when I invented a magnetically controlled electric switch and later applied it as an ARM/DISARM device in alarm systems. I have been thinking for a long time about the philosophy behind the legendary circuits of Schmitt trigger, RS latch and SRAM memory cell... and what they have in common. Ten years ago, I revealed the fundamental idea of making a hysteresis on the Wikipedia page about the Schmitt trigger. This question, the comments and answers below it, made me think deeply about all this again... and today the picture became clearer. This made me feel as excited as any other time when I realize a great circuit idea... and I am in a hurry to share it with you...
A) All these building blocks are the same circuits with reinforcing positive feedback that forces them to stand alone in one of their two extreme states; so all they possess memory. The difference between them is only in the way we force (toggle) them to change their current state with the opposite:
- In a Schmitt trigger, we do it in an arithmetic way by summing the input voltage with the feedback voltage.
- In an RS latch, we do it in a logical way by forcing the output of the logic gate to be in a certain state. We do this "politely" by means of a second input of the logic element (during this time the first input is "disconnected" from the output).
- In an SRAM memory cell, we do it "brutally" by applying the input voltage directly to the output of the logic gate (connecting the memory cell outputs to the data lines by turning on the pass transistors).
B) To see the memory property, in all these cases, we have to return the input signal to its inactive (neutral) state:
- In a Schmitt trigger, we have to set the input voltage inside the hysteresis loop (usually, in the middle between the high and low voltage threshold).
- In an RS latch, we have to set the input voltage high (NAND gates) or low (NOR gates).
- In an SRAM memory cell, we have to disconnect the memory cell outputs from the data lines by turning off the pass transistors.
If we do not return the input signal to its inactive (neutral) state, all these circuits will be forced to remain in the last state. This only makes sense for the Schmitt trigger.
C) Here the question arises, “Why are there different ways to manage the same devices?"
- The Schmitt trigger is implemented by a single device (non-inverting amplifier). Therefore, we can change its state by affecting one place (feedback) in two different ways (above the upper threshold and below the lower threshold). We do this with the help of a summing device (usually, two resistors).
- The RS latch and SRAM memory cell are implemented by two cascaded devices (a non-inverting amplifier consisting of two cascaded inverting amplifiers). To change their state, we have to affect alternately two places in the same way. Once affected one place (S), it no longer works ... we have to affect another (R).
D) Interesting questions would be, "Can we make an RS latch by a Schmitt trigger?" and "Can we make a Schmitt trigger by an RS latch?" Why not? I think we can...