# RF Cable Loss on PCB

I'm calculating the link budget for a rocket communication that reaches 3km altitude.

I'm using HopeRF RFM98W for both ends of the system.

• Max RF output: 20dBm
• Antenna Gain: 3dBi
• 3km FSPL at 433MHz: 94,72dB

After the receiver antenna gain we get: 20+3-94,72+3 = -68,72dBm

The RFM98W has a receiver sensitivity of -148dBm. We calculate the link margin:

-68,72-(-148) = 79,28

The link margin seems a little off. In the examples I saw, they get a link margin of around 8dB, and for another RF module I got a link margin of 29,49 dB which seems normal. This module couldn't sometimes connect in a clear line of sight at 500m so I'm curious how I can get a link margin this big.

I think I'm missing the cable RF loss here. I have used this module with an adapter board now I'm switching to custom PCB. I couldn't find any datasheets for the adapter board itself. I would like to calculate cable rf loss due to a 2mm wide 10mm long 0.5mm thick copper wire on a PCB.

• You use low budget LoRa radio chips for rocket communication? Commented Jan 14, 2021 at 15:11
• Do you have a specific question that is answerable without the use of telepathy (that would clearly reveal the formulas and calculations you made). There are websites that can calculate this for you if insist on being secretive. Commented Jan 14, 2021 at 15:15
• hm, Rockets tend to go fast, and change relative speed very quickly. Is LoRa at all capable of keeping up with these doppler change rates? Feels like something a chirp system would be exceedingly bad at... Commented Jan 14, 2021 at 15:19
• Sorry for not being clear. @Andyaka I would like to know the cable loss formula on a PCB at 433MHz. I used the FSPL formula as well as link budget formula. But I couldn't find a source for cable loss on a PCB. Commented Jan 14, 2021 at 16:03
• Last year (btw we are a rocketry team in Turkey) in a competition we got 2800m altitude, our rocket experienced max of 9g acceleration. The communication was ok during the flight. @MarcusMüller Lora seemed to be enough but if you have recommendations we are open for those. Last year due to budget problems we used this module that we were recommended by one of our "sponsors". Commented Jan 14, 2021 at 16:03

An accepted formula for calculating the power needed by a receiver operating at a specific data rate is this: -

Power (dBm) = -154 dBm + 10$$\log_{10}(\text{data rate})\$$

Formula from this excellent book by Chistopher Haslett: -

The module in question has a data rate throughput as high as 300 kbps so, in that case the receiver input power needed would be: -

Power (dBm) = -154 dBm + 54.77 dB = 99.28 dBm

OK, if your data rate is only low (maybe 1 kbps) the receiver power needed might only be -124 dBm and, if the data rate is only 100 bits per second, the receiver will need a power of -134 dBm.

So, you decide based on your data rate.

Formulas and other link budget information from here.