# Charging mobile with solar panel Issue

I want to charge mobiles using a solar panel.

Most phones would charge well with 5V 1A/1.5A.

My panel specifications are as follows-

Key points:

1. Maximum power 10Wp (peak wattage)
2. Voltage at maximum power 18V
3. Current at maximum power 0.56A
4. Open circuit voltage 22V
5. Short circuit voltage 0.59A

I have used a circuit that I have designed with an LM2596-5V IC t(I haven't used the module yet) to bring down 18V to 5V and at least 1A current in output (ie 5W.)

This is the circuit I have used:

In reality I am getting 5V 400mA in output (ie. 2W only.)

I have used electrolytic capacitors above.

Can someone explain what's wrong here?

Buck converters are supposed to give 80% efficiency, here I am not even getting 30%.

• Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. Commented Mar 27, 2021 at 14:11
• In addition to the stuff people say below, you probably have less than perfect insolation this time of year, so the panel won't be outputting its full power. Commented Mar 27, 2021 at 15:53

In short: To signal the usb device that you are attempting to charge, that it can charge at a current higher than 500mA ,if if wants to, you need to short D+ and D- of the USB connection to that device.

I have read through the comments once again and it seems to me as though this is a misunderstanding of your expected operation of what you have put together.

• You are putting a load on the output of your regulator which you do not have control over, so it will load the circuit as its internal circuitry defines it to.
• Phone charging, especially a smart phone, now a days, has communication protocols in place for the phone to "negotiate" with the charger what it is capable of receiving and what the charger is capable of delivering.
• Charging o phone via a constant voltage source, that is, the output of your step down regulator, will result in a load which is probably around 500mA, depending on the phone and the state of charge of its cell, it may attempt to pull more current but I'm guessing that since most old USB outputs were limited to 500mA max current, the phones' firmware may have defined 500mA as a limit to make sure that the USB hosts port does not disable the output as a protective measure because a device connected is attempting to sink more than 500mA

From a consumption perspective : I would say, 5V, 400mA , i.e. 2W load is what I would expect from such a circuit that does not negotiate via any charging protocols to the phone.

A PV Panel is not a battery, it resembles more a current source, but not really a constant one..

Here is a quick and dirty diagram of what your panel would be like. Note that it is not to scale but to bring a point across.

In Red, the power output vs Voltage In Orange/yellow the current vs voltage

Assuming that your regulator is operating at 80% efficiency, then for 2W output, this means that it is consuming 2.5W at its input.

• There are two operational points of the solar panel for 2.5W delivery, more or less around the Vpv = 5V and around Vpv = 20V.
• since you normally start at open circuit voltage and then the regulator starts pulling current you will be at around those Vpv = 20V and at 2.5W you will be consuming 125mA.

So far everything is as expected. As you say, the regulator is not hot, Panel voltage at 20V.. seems fine. you should check the current coming from the PV Panel it will probably be at 125mA or so, not 560mA or anywhere near the MPP since your load is not requesting to go there.

Just because a PV Panel has a maximum power available does not mean that you will operate at that point.

## Signalling the Connected Device that you can provide more than 500mA @ 5V

It appears as though part of the usb Power delivery standard is; if you short (resistance below 200 Ohms) between the D+ and D- pins of the connection to the device you are attempting to charge, you are telling the device to pull more than 500mA

5V out ---- Vbus
+----- D+
|
+----- D-
Gnd ------- Gnd


I have verified this on two off the shelf chargers, one of them 5V 1A capable and the othe 5V 2A capable.

My measurements were as follows:

           | 5V1A charger  |  5V2A Charger
---------------------------------------------
V+ to D+   | Open Circuit  |  Open Circuit
V+ to D-   | Open Circuit  |  Open Circuit
GND to D+  | Open Circuit  |  Open Circuit
GND to D-  | Open Circuit  |  Open Circuit
D+ to D-   |   0.27 Ohms   |   0.27 Ohms


So, to extend your operation up to 5V 1A you would short the D+ D- connections on the USB cable you are connecting to the output of your regulator.

This would be a power delivery of 5W, assuming 80% efficiency of your regulator that would be 6.25W power in from the panel. Maybe Vpv = 20V or 19V or even 18V depending on the environmental conditions and 300 to 350mA current from the PV Panel.

As you can see from the calculations, even at rated output of the device 5V, 1A, i.e. 5W you will not be consuming all the available power from the PV panel. And there is no problem with that.

Here is a question/answer which discusses the Data pins and USB charging, here is another,

• This all true but what is Vpv at max power? what should it be? Vmpt and what are the variables that affect this? Commented Mar 27, 2021 at 11:29
• @TonyStewartSunnyskyguyEE75 : max power available @ STC (standard test Conditions) i.e. 1000W/m2 25ºC Cell temp, from the panel is given by the panel, its called Vmp = 18V, the max current at that point is called Imp = 0.56A , Max Power available , Pmp = Vmp*Imp = 10,08 Watts Commented Mar 27, 2021 at 11:44
• The variables that affect this are mainly, cell temperature and incident irradiance on the panel, I did not get into details as for initial diagnosis of what appear to be happening it is not really needed, as long as the panel has more power available than required by the load Commented Mar 27, 2021 at 11:46
• The answer is matched impedance at Vmpt Commented Mar 27, 2021 at 11:57
• @TonyStewartSunnyskyguyEE75 you do not necessarily need to operate at Vmp, you can work at any point of the power curve of a pv panel. Its fine to work at a point which is different than the maximum power point. Normally you attempt to work at Vmp because you want to get the most juice you can from the panel given you have a in comparison "infinite" sink, i.e. an empty battery or the grid. Commented Mar 27, 2021 at 12:03

## The takeaway message here is for MPT, all impedances must be matched at all times for all interfaces.

MPPT for most PV's is known to start at 82% of Voc and decline to 72% Voc at 10% Pin. (within 3% per this spec)

The impedance for a true CC is infinite and for a true CV is 0 Ohms.

Yet for a PV the Zo (min) = Voc/Isc = Vmp/Imp
Thus @ MPT Zpv= 18V/0.56A = 32.14 Ohms
while at 10% solar power what do you think happens to Zpv ?

So the Zpv is continuously variable dependent on V/Voc ! but only optimum power at one point on the curve, so the impedance Zpv is known AHEAD of time and can be estimated with a diffused photo diode for solar intensity ! (assuming calibrated for a tuned R.load and max sun of 100k lumens.

Next, what is the Zin of your Buck regulator? (assuming no soft start)

When the switch starts dI/dt= V/L and when it switches to the diode Ic=CdV/dt but with 0V initially and a low ESR cap of T=10us or ESR=T/C=10us/220uF= 45 mOhms or almost a short circuit then rises with some time constant. The "simple" switcher runs at 150 kHz so you can imagine it will startup really slow as the PV is being shorted out by the step down to C1.

So let's look at steady-state as if it were an ideal transformer.

you got 5V @ 400mA in output (ie 2W only!)

What is XL(f)? (2piLf= j64 Ohms) when the switch is on, then when the diode is on what is Xc(f)? (1/{2pifC=207 Ohms}) but these are controlled by duty cycle, d.

So how do you match 32 Ohms Zin so that at 5V output DC you can get closer to 10W?

change f? no it's fixed ( or use a non-simple Buck regulator with PFM )
change d? perhaps for startup yet steady-state depends mostly on Vo/Vin ratio and so is Zo/Zi the square of this ratio? ideally yes. But how to control? (f,L, or C)

By changing L & C ?? If you reduce R to near 10W (say 9W) then R=V^2/P= 25/9~ 1.8 2.78 Ohms

So ideally if $$\(Z_{in}/Z_{out} = (18/5V=n)^2 ~=~13 ; R_{5V,9W MPT} = 2.78 \Omega,~ Z_{in}=n^2*R_L = 13*2.78= 36 \Omega \$$

But this is close to 32.14 Ohms Zpv MPT (?)

So what went wrong with the impedance calculations in the non-ideal switcher?

What about the Q factor of X(f)/R ?

I leave the homework of computing how to get MPT using this method to you.

I left a HINT for you.