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Why would the voltage drop only by 0.2V when the forward voltage of this diode is 0.8V. The Zener diode voltage is 10V

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    \$\begingroup\$ Your diode D2 is in series with a voltmeter. Voltmeters have a very high resistance so almost no current can flow and that means that the voltage drop across the diode will be much less than the "normal" 0.7 V. You need to replace VM2 with a current meter and then connect VM4 in parallel with the diode D2. Then you can read current through and voltage across the diode. Your circuit is a bit strange, I do not see what you're trying to achieve with this circuit. \$\endgroup\$ – Bimpelrekkie Apr 18 at 14:49
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Bimpelrekkie, ... and a resistor in series... \$\endgroup\$ – Circuit fantasist Apr 18 at 17:05
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Amen0, The diode IV curve will give an exact answer to your question. \$\endgroup\$ – Circuit fantasist Apr 18 at 17:09
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    \$\begingroup\$ I just want to comment on your use of terminology because this question confused me and I had to read it several times. The voltage drop across a diode and the forward voltage of the diode are the same thing. They cannot be 0.2V and 0.8V at the same time. I think what you are asking about is the discrepancy between the rated forward voltage (0.8V) you found in a datashseet or something and the voltage shown by the simulator (0.2). I am not trying to nitpick. Precise language can be a good skill in engineering circles. \$\endgroup\$ – mkeith Apr 18 at 22:08
  • \$\begingroup\$ Looking at this diagram, I'm starting to think it should be forbidden to draw voltage meters with a connected line through like that. The right-hand side looks like there's a connection from the diode cathode back to ground, exactly because of the line, while really the voltage meter is more like an open. Compare with e.g. the capacitor symbol, which doesn't have a line through. (yes yes, I know, voltage meters do have some finite resistance, but for the simple cases we ignore it anyway.) \$\endgroup\$ – ilkkachu Apr 19 at 12:14

Saying that a diode has a forward drop of any single voltage value is to miss the bigger point about diodes. "One size doesn't fit all" when it comes to properly understanding diodes.

A diode is said to have a forward drop of about 0.7 volts when it is conducting about 10 mA. If it were conducting 1 mA, a good rule of thumb is to assume the forward drop has reduced by 100 mV to 0.6 volts.

  • If it were conducting 0.1 mA then the forward drop would be approximately 0.5 volts.

  • At a current of 0.01 mA the forward drop would be about 0.4 volts etc etc..

So, you have a simulated circuit and maybe the voltmeter showing 9.345 volts has some kind of internal simulated resistance that draws a tiny bit of current that causes the diode forward volt drop to be 0.179 volts. Maybe it simulates the standard impedance of a multimeter (10 MΩ).

If it is 10 MΩ then, with 9.345 volts across it, the current is 0.9345 μA or about 1 μA. By my simple reckoning above, the forward volt drop would be a shade under 0.3 volts so, it's not a mile off and remember, I wasn't specific about the type of diode. I expect that if I found a good data sheet for the 1N4001 diode that you used, I might be able to tweak my general rule of thumb to be more indicative of what a 1N4001 exhibits.

Of course, if you think that your simulator has a voltmeter with a different input impedance then you can prove this for yourself by connecting it to a 1 volt supply in series with a resistor and increase the resistor in value until the meter reads 0.5 volts.



This specific observation can be generalized in an important electrical concept that can be frequently seen in electronic circuits - if you connect a 2-terminal element (resistor, diode, etc.) in series to a voltage source, there is no current flowing (open circuit) and, as a result, there is no voltage drop across the element. If the voltage source is grounded, the voltages (referenced to ground) after and before the element are equal.

Example 1: Collector Resistor

Let's illustrate this phenomenon with a typical example - a (collector) resistor Rc in series to a power supply Vcc in a common-emitter amplifier stage. When the transistor is cut off, there is no collector current Ic flowing through Rc... so there is no voltage drop (VRc = Ic.Rc= 0) across it... and the collector voltage is equal to the power supply voltage (Vc = Vcc).

Example 2: Real Voltage Source

From my teaching practice, I have found that this is not an obvious truth for many of my students. For example, some of them think that the voltage after the resistor should be zero; others think that this voltage depends on the resistance, etc. That is why I make them experimentally establish the truth during the introductory laboratory exercise as follows:

In the beginning, I suggest they explore the behavior of an "ideal" voltage source (12 V/1 A wall wart switching supply) - first, without a load (open circuit) and then, with a load (1 k + 1 k, 1 k or 1 k || 1 k). They see that there is no difference between these cases.

Then, I suggest they "worsen" the ideal voltage source by including a 1 k resistor in series and explore the behavior of this real voltage source having 1 k internal resistance - first, without a load (the OP's case). They are surprised that the voltages after and before the "internal" resistance are equal even when they change the resistance (1 k + 1 k, 1 k or 1 k || 1 k). Here is a draft of a student lab report.

I also give them an idea to replace the resistor with forward and backward biased diodes... and they are even more surprised (like OP here) that "the diode is not a diode" when forward biased.

Finally, I suggest the students load this real voltage source by various resistors (1 k + 1 k or 1 k || 1 k) and measure the voltages. Now they see significant difference between the cases. Thus they realize the meaning of the second resistor in the voltage divider configuration.

"Golden Rule"

From all these observations, we can conclude that the resistor (linear, nonlinear, etc.) resists the current... but when there is no current, the resistor has nothing to resist ... and it is not a resistor... it is a conductor that freely passes voltage. So we can formulate just another "golden rule":

A resistor connected through one of its terminals (in series) to a voltage source in an open circuit transmits the voltage to its other terminal.

This property should not depend on the value of the resistance. I wonder, however, what would happen if it were infinite?


The usual answer to "what's the forward voltage of a diode" is "about 0.7V."

That's just an approximation, though, that only holds true at around the rated current of the diode.

If you look in the datasheet of the diode, you'll often find a chart like this one:

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From the Vishay 1N4001 datasheet.

As you can see, the forward voltage varies quite a bit depending on the current.

Here's a slightly different view of the voltage/current chart of a 1N4001:

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I made that with a 1N4001 diode I had here at hand. As you can see, the voltage drop for currents lower than in the datasheet can also get very low.

I can zoom in on my chart, though, and see what happens at really low current:

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Way down there at about 1 microampere, the forward voltage is less than 300 millivolts.

That's what you are seeing in your simulation.

A voltmeter actually does draw a little current. A typical modern digital voltmeter (DVM) has a resistance of about 10 million ohms. At 9 volts, a current of about 1 microampere will flow through the meter.

That 1 microampere leads to a voltage drop across the diode of something less than 300 millivolts. That's what my chart shows, and what your simulation shows - allowing for a not especially accurate tracer on my side, and a not necessarily exact simulation on your side.

Diodes aren't the digital on/off at the forward voltage thing that the common simplification implies. They are very analog, and do a lot of things that the shorthand "0.7V forward voltage" hides.


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