# -25mV output from op-amp with 0V input

I have this simple op-amp circuit used to amplify the voltage drop across an unknown resistor with a value between ~0 and ~20 ohms. The circuit works close to expected, but there is an offset - when I short RSENSE_A+ and RSENSE_A- with a "zero ohm" calibration shunt, I see 0V at TP13 but roughly -25mV at TP7. RSENSE_A- is connected to ground, so in essence I am shorting U6 pin 3 directly to ground.

Using a calibrated resistance box I have obtained the values below at TP7. (note this version of the circuit has a 4.2 ohm resistor in position R9, so the current flowing through the sample is actually 48.4mA). As you can see there is significant (20-150mV) divergence in results between calculated and actual.

What am I missing here? Is this a limitation of the op-amp I've chosen? If it is, which parameter is causing this and how should I be selecting for it in future?

Thanks!

• It's called input offset. The opamp you're using is designed for audio and doesn't have an offset null but there are other ones that will. Or you could create your own external offset null circuit: electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/34071/…
– vir
Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 15:59

This is a combination of a few factors.

• Input offset voltage: typ. 0.3 mV, max 3 mV1. With a closed loop gain of 5, this can explain up 15 mV of error, positive or negative.

• Input bias current: typ. 100 nA, max 500 nA. The output impedance of the circuit being measured is low (because the resistor under test connects to what appears to be a power rail). In the worst case, it has a very low output impedance, in series with a zero-ohm R4, so the non-inverting input sees an impedance of almost 0 ohms. Meanwhile, the inverting input sees an impedance of 120k || 30k = 24k.

Multiplying this by the worst-case input bias current of 500 nA contributes up to another 12 mV of input offset voltage, or up to 60 mV of output offset. Because the op-amp has a PNP input stage, it will source, rather than sink up to 500 nA via its input pins, which means that the up-to-60 mV of output offset will likely be negative in this case, as the output needs to go negative in order to balance the input voltages.

One quick and dirty way to fix this is to ensure that the impedance seen by the non-inverting input is also 24k.

Ultimately, the RC4580 is an audio op-amp, and is designed with different design goals in mind than yours. It is designed for extremely low harmonic distortion, but doesn't feature things you want here, like low input bias current, low offset, or offset nulling features.

You'll want to consider selecting an op amp that offers low offsets or a means of nulling the offset, as well as a low input bias current. JFET or FET-based inputs will provide this, especially at frequencies near DC (at higher frequencies, the reactive currents flowing into the input capacitance will start to see imbalanced impedances again).

Another concern I see here is the ground mismatch between the negative terminal of the resistor and the ground used in the op-amp feedback circuit. This could also contribute to an offset voltage, especially if the layout is poor, or other large currents flow through either the GND or V_CCS- nets.

1 This figure is listed in the datasheet as a conditional value only valid when Rs < 10k. The impedance of your feedback network is large, it could be even worse, but is not documented.

• Thanks, that makes sense. Looking at each of those in isolation I figured none was big enough to make a difference, but cumulatively as you say it's kind of to be expected. Layout is good (if I say so myself); four layer with a separate ground plane, analogue and digital pours joined under the ADCs, tight decoupling etc. The downside was using the op-amps I had in my junk box! Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 16:39

Best approach is to use a better op-amp. A precision (high gain, low offset, low input bias) op-amp would improve a number of accuracy issues at once.

For example, a OPA2182 dual op-amp will give you maximum Vos of 4uV and input bias current of less than 1nA over a good temperature range.

The former represents an error at the output of +/-20uV maximum (typically 2.3uV) and the latter represents an error of +/-24uV maximum (typical 1.2uV).

Moreover the Vos drift with temperature is extremely low due to the internal auto-zero functionality.

The part has sufficient input range, and rail-to-rail output.

There are other such op-amps which you can search for on any distributor website or on the websites of makers of precision op-amps such as Analog Devices, TI etc.

I should mention that to actually achieve results commensurate with what that amplifier is capable of careful construction and layout is required. It doesn't take much to introduce a few uV of offset, especially with relatively high currents such as 50mA flowing. A 25mm length of 3mm wide (1" of 1/8" wide) 1oz copper will drop 200uV with 50mA flowing. RF interacting with input nonlinearity can cause large DC offsets.