This is the problem statement:

There is a mechanical crane whose Transfer Function is shown. If it is implemented The automatic system shown, closing the loop and adding the G1 block (s), you are asked:

a)Determine analytically, what should be the Transfer Function simpler (“type 0”) for G1 (s), if you want the closed loop system is stable and that the modulus of the Phase Margin is 60 °.

b) Taking into account the previous answer, what would be the Gain Margin?

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My solution is:

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And my question is:

The frequency w should come out positive, but it comes out negative, this is not valid, right? In class, my teacher commented that when complex conjugate poles are involved, they contribute a maximum of -180 °, but since the arctangent limits to -90 °, we had to proceed differently, does anyone know how I could solve this exercise?


After Chu's observation

These are the answers:

a) K = 0.009342

b) G.M = 8.54954 ≈ 8.55

To check it, simulate it in Scilab, obtaining the Bode plot in magnitude and phase, and apart G.M and its frequency (in Hertz, to pass it to rad / s, divide by 2pi); and also P.M and its frequency (in Hertz, to convert it to rad / s, divide by 2pi)

Scilab Console

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Bode Plot

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Working in arctan is quite difficult. Instead, use complex notation, and this will give the answer, \$\omega =\large \frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}\$ rad/sec.

... In response to the OP's comment ...

Thus, ignore the numerator gain (10) as this does not affect the phase angle, and work from: $$G(s)=\frac{(s+5)}{s(s^2 +s +1)}$$

Let \$s\rightarrow j\omega\$ : $$G(j\omega)=\frac{(5+j\omega)}{j\omega((1-\omega^2)+ j\omega)}$$ Rationalising:

$$G(j\omega)=\frac{(5+j\omega)}{-\omega^2+j\omega(1-\omega^2)}\times \frac{-\omega^2-j\omega(1-\omega^2)}{-\omega^2-j\omega(1-\omega^2)}$$ $$ $$ $$\therefore G(j\omega)=\frac{(-5\omega^2+\omega^2(1-\omega^2))-j(\omega^3+5\omega(1-\omega^2))}{\omega^6-\omega^4+\omega^2}\:\:\:(*)$$

For a phase angle of \$0^o\$ or \$-180^o\$, the imaginary part of the numerator must be zero, hence: $$\omega^3+5\omega(1-\omega^2))=0 $$

$$\therefore \omega=\pm\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}\mathrm{rad/sec}$$

The negative frequency can be ignored (mathematically, gives \$0^o\$), hence, the phase angle is \$-180^o\$ at the frequency:

$$ \omega=\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}\mathrm{rad/sec}$$

... In response to the OP's comment (2) ...

From equation (*), a phase angle of -120 deg is obtained when:

$$\frac{-(\omega^2+5(1-\omega^2)}{(-5\omega+\omega(1-\omega^2))}=\sqrt{3} $$

$$\therefore \sqrt{3}\omega^3+4\omega^2+4\sqrt{3}\omega-5=0 $$ The only real solution is \$\omega=0.52576\$ rad/sec. Hence, plug this into the gain expression to find the required K value to bring the open loop gain to 0 dB

  • \$\begingroup\$ What do you mean by "complex notation" to solve the problem? can you explain it to me please \$\endgroup\$ Aug 13, 2021 at 7:57
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    \$\begingroup\$ I'll edit my answer... \$\endgroup\$
    – Chu
    Aug 13, 2021 at 13:08
  • \$\begingroup\$ Thanks I will review it, I find it interesting, the way you approached it. \$\endgroup\$ Aug 13, 2021 at 22:06
  • \$\begingroup\$ But how would you work with the first case where the phase margin is 60? The phase would be -120, to work with the phase, would you still not have to work with the arctangent? \$\endgroup\$ Aug 14, 2021 at 2:29
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    \$\begingroup\$ See additional edit, later \$\endgroup\$
    – Chu
    Aug 14, 2021 at 7:49

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