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I need to isolate the antenna from the WiFi transmitter. There are some solutions on the market but none suitable for my application.

So I have started some experiments.

  1. 2x PCBs creating DIY capacitor (separated by the layer of Kapton tape) enter image description here enter image description here

Which effectively creates 9 capacitors (three on the signal line six on the shield. The shield ones are parallel connected in pairs)

schematic

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

And it works pretty well. enter image description here

But I would like to use stock capacitors instead. The second board has 3 1pF capacitors in series on both sides (values on schematic are not correct)

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But this version efficiently is a short circuit for this frequency signal. enter image description here

When I reduce the number of capacitors to one it is much better. enter image description here enter image description here

Two capacitors behave much worse. enter image description here

The length of the boars is 1/4 of the wave length in the copper.

The question. Why is the three (or two) capacitor version is almost blocking the signal?

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Your trace impedances are not controlled or defined for each segment of path.

Ballpark figures

e.g. 1pF and 1nH (~2mm) wire can resonate @ 5 GHz, 3pF @ 2.85 GHz This will affect your antenna S21 curve and S11 differently.

  • unless you sweep over a wider range e.g. from 1 to 5 GHz you cannot see the magnitude of the problems with resonance. You may not be seeing high Q problems.

Using small tools or your fingertip with a neoprene glove to act as a small shield capacitance in pF over traces, so you can locate the sensitivity of interactive reactances.

  • But a proper design would require better design tools to analyze the LC and loss tangent of substrate. (Maxwell, etc)

  • GETEK Polyamide or equiv. or Teflon is required for PCB substrate for much lower loss tangent of S21.

  • for floating antenna , you have not defined the insulation breakdown voltage or impedance reason for isolation at low frequency.

  • 1pF at 2.4GHz is about -j4 ohms, but the path length adds about 0.3nH/mm for this aspect ratio and about 0.8 nH/mm for a skinny wire. (ballpark) so replacing a cap with a jumper won't work well.

  • there is no ground plane under cap

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you very much for your answer. I need isolation 1.5kV for ATEX certification. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 2, 2021 at 8:16
  • \$\begingroup\$ There is no ground plane under the cap as there is another track with 3 caps (they are on both sides of the PCB. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 2, 2021 at 8:17
  • \$\begingroup\$ You can purchase 2.4Ghz atex antennas. Not cheap though. Or another option is to capacitively couple it through a glass window. \$\endgroup\$
    – Kartman
    Commented Sep 2, 2021 at 11:06
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Kartman I like the Borosilicate Glass idea, but it has a Dk of 4.6 and PU plastic film is only Dk of 3.6 and better loss tangent than Teflon and FAR better than FR4. This makes the stripline element or patch antenna into a microstrip sandwich, which requires re-tuning. But great idea. \$\endgroup\$
    – D.A.S.
    Commented Sep 2, 2021 at 15:00

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