advice on a transformer for power-supply

i know this type of question is common and yes i could just buy a known transformer for $10 on ebay or something. either way :) i am interested in building my own power supply, something variable around 3-30v dc and maybe with a digital voltmeter built in. i was thinking of recycling some components out of scrap devices that were headed for the recycling depot anyway. So i removed the power boards out of my old printer/scanner and my old cable tuner. i did some continuity testing and checked resistance levels, my diagram shows the results of those tests. the windings that overlap in my drawing are just to illustrate where the pins actually are in relation to each other. the original circuit used pins 1-6 as input and 7-10 as output. So my question is, based on the image i drew up, how should i wire up this transformer to test it's output? can i just wire all three windings in parallel and see what the other two put out? *edit this one is out of my old printer. it was indeed run off 110v main. i powered it before butchering and checked voltages across the transformer inputs and was reading 114v. i read 115v before the smaller coil which was between the main and the yellow transformer. is it strange that the voltage is rectified before the yellow transformer? • -1 ugly punctuation – Vorac Mar 11 '13 at 8:50 • There MAY be a good reason for not using capital leters - but it's hard to imagine that there would be. It's ESSENTIAL to use I not i for i, and to capitalise the first word in a sentence (For almost all values of ESSENTIAL :-) ) This is such standard practice that to not do it assaults the brains of most who read it and will drive away many useful answerers. || Note that if you use a carriage return (Enter key) between lines in yuour input that that alone does NOT produce a new line in the output. You need 2+ spaces at the end of the line then an ENTER to get the ENTER to bite. See my edits. – Russell McMahon Mar 12 '13 at 1:50 • NEITHER of those are AC MAIN TRANSFORMERS. Connecting AC mains to them will destroy them instantly. See addition to my answer. – Russell McMahon Mar 12 '13 at 1:51 • See mu update answer - beginning has added safety info. End has comment on Omron supply and alternatives. – Russell McMahon Mar 12 '13 at 2:05 • @rob Saying "is it strange that the voltage is rectified before the yellow transformer?", which states specifically that DC (rectified mains) was connected, and then being completely unacceptably rude AND wrong may be part of a cunning plan to get people to help you - but I assure you that it will not work. Read (again) the 2nd paragraph in my answer. I suggest that best course, assuming instruments and / or will for hari kiri are lacking, is to grovel a little [tm], apologise and delete your comment and let's get on with getting the best solution. – Russell McMahon Mar 12 '13 at 6:17 1 Answer If this was NOT a mains transformer then connecting mains to any winding will probably kill it and may kill you. The transformers in the photos are NOT AC mains input transformers. They have RECTIFIED mains applied as DC and then a high frequency switching circuit uses this DC. Current flow in them is at very high frequency so their AC resistance = = impedance is high. If you connect AC mains to them directly they will "explode" at worst or simply die instantly at best. What is required for simple AC mains to DIY low voltage is an "iron cored" transformer from a (usually older) piece of equipment that did not use a switching power supply. Older plug packs (wall warts) that are much heavier than usual are often a good source. Something suitable should be available at low or no cost. Wiring windings in parallel and powering up = near instant death for the transformer in many cases. You do not say which of the 2 devices (printer/scanner and my old cable tuner) this is from, or whether it was AC mains connected or via a plug pack (wall wart etc) or ... . Please provide a photo of the transformer. Stating model and brand of equipment concerned helps greatly. Were these mains connected? What is your mains voltage ? (110 VAC, 230 VAC, ...?) What is the core made of? - ferrite, steel, ...? How heavy is the transformer and how large? - Does it seem to be steel cored or something less dense? Again, photo, brand, model will help muchly. If the sample transformer IS an AC Mains transformer:* IF you have another transformer with about 6 V*AC* output voltage you can try the following. **MUST be AC out. MUST be AC ...** Identify windings in order of decreasing resistance (highest = A, next highest = B, ...) Apply a voltmeter set to higher than mains AC to winding B. Apply • LOW VOLTAGE • AC • about 6V • briefly to winding A. Note reading on meter on B, if any. If meter flickers or has very low or no reading, move meter onto winding A. Successively apply LOW VOLTAGE, AC to windings B C D E ... watching meter readings on A. From the above tests you can get a "feel" for the relative winding ratios on the transformer. Some simple arithmetic will allow you to deduce the high and low voltage windings and what the rated voltages should be. Think about it. Tell us what happens. Ask questions. You asked: • what if i scrap the build from scratch project for now, would an omron industrial 24v 1.3a power supply work as a decent 'transformer' to take this ones place? then i can just add in a variable voltage regulator and meter, throw it in a nice wood box and be done for now. :) here is the particular model link octopart.com/s82k-03024-omron-8299 Less good long term. The Omron supply is VERY expensive for what it does. Much better for much less is possible easily. If you have one it could be used but it lacks what you need. The Omron supply datasheet here - specific model PROBABLY on page 57, 3rd line, is apparently fioxed at 24V. 1.3Amax output. To get lower voltages you will need to convert to the desired voltages with either a switching regulator or a linear regulator. Variable switching regulators are available at low cost on ebay, but add complexity to an already expensive product. A variable linear regulator will work with moderate complexity BUT to get usual voltages of say 3V3. 5V, 12V you will waste MOST of the energy as heat. At 5V the efficiency is 5/24 ~= 20%. 80% will be lost as heat. Worse at 3V3. Still bad at 50% at 12V. Better is to either find a well priced supply that is variable and cheaper OR find a transformer that does what you want and start from there. We can advise if you wish to follow the latter path. • what if i scrap the build from scratch project for now, would an omron industrial 24v 1.3a power supply work as a decent 'transformer' to take this ones place? then i can just add in a variable voltage regulator and meter, throw it in a nice wood box and be done for now. :) here is the particular model link octopart.com/s82k-03024-omron-8299 – rob j loranger Mar 11 '13 at 16:52 • i can get the omron for$10 – rob j loranger Mar 12 '13 at 3:28
• @rob \$10 is a good price for the Omron psu. If you can get one of the lower voltage version on the esme page in the catalog for the same money it would be evern better. It depends on what you wanyt to do withy it. 24V has its uses but for beginning hobbyists 12V or 5V would be more useful. From 12V you can make 5V with a linear regulator (at about 40% efficiency). 5V would be good if that was your major need - 12V from 5V is possible but hard compared to a linear regulator. – Russell McMahon Mar 12 '13 at 4:56
• hey sorry about that, i just actually read your edited answer. i was wondering how these new power-supplies worked. maybe that should have been my first question. i think i will start with the omron and build a regulator. i like learning experiences, getting a variable transformer would take this one away a little. and i can always swap it out or rebuild down the road. – rob j loranger Mar 12 '13 at 13:24