# Can a memory backup supercap hold on for more than 2 weeks?

Most RTC chips have a VBATT input for backup power supply; besides a battery, you can use a supercap there, e.g. using the following scheme:

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

How much time would the cap provide for your RTC while the main power is not available is of course function of the RTC's current, C1's capacitance, and the various leakage currents.

• D1's leakage is in the order of 20nA and can be ignored (see below)
• My RTC consumes 365 nA, can can work with Vbatt down to 2.0V, so a 0.22F cap is enough for 18 days, if C1 was a perfect 0.22F cap.
• The C1's leakage current is, I believe, the biggest contributor, at 0.5 to more than 10µA

The leakage currents of supercaps seem to be not well characterized; in fact, a lot of datasheets omit that value at all, so it's likely nothing to write home about (20-100 or more µA).

Of the few models that actually list something, for example

• Ohmite LM055224A: 0.22F, 0.5 to 10µA.
• AVX SCMR14C474MRBA0: 0.47F, 6µA
• others, which are again 8-10+ µA for 0.2-1F, and more for larger capacitances,

it can be computed that they are unlikely to last more than a week in RTC backup operation. Their leakage is just too high.

# Questions

1. Is it possible to deal with this imperfection? Is a supercap suitable for this design at all?
2. Can more than 1 week of autonomy be achieved? I'll be happy with at least two weeks;
3. How is leakage defined? -- most of the time, manufacturers don't specify what do they mean by leakage current and in what conditions do they measure it. Might be they measure worst-case leakage (high ambient temperature, capacitor close to 5.5V, ...), while the average case at 3V and 25°C is an order of magnitude better.

# Not a shopping question

I'm not searching for a specific cap model that would fit the bill; I've pored through a lot of datasheets, and haven't found any. I think I may be mistaken to use a supercap there in the first place, as per question #1 above.

• The short answer is : a battery will likely be less trouble.
– user16324
Apr 14, 2022 at 11:19
• "The leakage currents of supercaps seem to be not well characterized; in fact, a lot of datasheets omit that value at all" If you got no trustworthy information about the leakage current, the only consequence is: Do not use the supercap! If you measure the leakage current by yourself, the found value is valid only for the caps you tested. You don't if caps from another batch will behave in the same way. Leakage current may influenced by temperature and aging. Do you have the time to do a test with some hundred supercaps for about four weeks?
– Uwe
Apr 14, 2022 at 16:21
• If the leakage on the supercap swamps out your diode's leakage, you can swap in a schottky diode instead. You'll get slightly higher leakage on the diode, but instead you'll trade up by getting your supercap to charge up closer to 5V and will therefore last longer in the backup state. Apr 15, 2022 at 8:16

Is it possible to deal with this imperfection? Is a supercap suitable for this design at all?

The only way to really answer this for yourself is to let the rubber hit the road: you have to do some experiments and qualify the supercaps for your use. You'll be able to quantify their parameter spreads, the leakage vs. temperature dependency, etc.

That's basically how engineering is done when you want to get most of the parts. You have to almost understand them better than the manufacturer does, focusing on your particular need.

Can more than 1 week of autonomy be achieved? I'll be happy with at least two weeks

Your experiments will give you the answer. Nobody else can answer it for you in general terms, because there's so much variation in parts, that you might be selling yourself short on nothing but someone else's word. It will also help you a lot to really understand these parts, and nothing can do this as well as good old lab work.

How is leakage defined?

In whichever way generates most sales generally speaking :). Customers tend to read what they like to see, and not necessarily the grim (-ish) reality. Plenty of products get marketed with nothing much but putting a prototype together at room temperature and calling it a day as soon as some measurements let you extrapolate to "good enough for Australia". That's why HP equipment, for example, was as good as it was: they did the very opposite. They did test all products across the operating temperature range, including aging effects where applicable.

D1's leakage is in the order of 20nA and can be ignored.

It is at room temperature, and then is it typical or maximum leakage? Since you have to qualify the supercaps for your application anyway - no way around that - you should characterize the diode for this use at the same time. You'll be sticking the thing in a small thermal chamber anyway, so you get to characterize the diode leakage, PCB leakage, RTC leakage, and everything else at the same time. Good deal, if you ask me.

[Anything else?]

Yes. You'll need to qualify each lot of parts you get for this application, until you understand the level of inter-lot variation, in order to relax the level of incoming component testing.

The alternative is not sleeping well at night and/or having to occasionally turn into a firefighter and extinguish figurative fires in the production department.

If you want to do this job once and not have to repeat it later under stressful conditions, it's best to have all these procedures defined ahead of time, so that when the product is on the market, you'll get clear indicators from incoming test and statistical QC that something is wrong, before it would get more costly.

Skimping on a memory backup mode that is not a normal operating mode where you'll get instant field failure reports or end-of-line test failures as soon as a problem occurs is... unwise. It's easy to unknowingly ship junk, primed to fail later. Not a good place to be in... Thus I highly encourage doing everything you can to put a lot of due diligence between yourself and such a precarious position :)