# Op amp picks up power rail oscillations from boost conveter

I've built a circuit which detects ambient audio through an electret microphone, amplifies the audio signal using a LM386 op amp (gain = 200), and then processes that audio information. The board is powered through a LM2623 boost converter, which ramps up a 3.7V LiPo battery to 5V for the power rails on the board.

The op amp circuit is set up like the gain=200 diagram in its datasheet. The converter is set up according to the typical application schematic in its datasheet .

The LM2623 (and, from what I understand, many boost converters) produces small oscillations on the 5V-GND rails - typically no more than 1% peak-peak. This wouldn't pose an issue at all, except that the audio signal my op amp is supposed to amplify is also very small.

I have 100 uF and 1 uF capacitors between 5V-GND before and after the converter, as well as near the op amp.

It seems that my op amp is amplifying the oscillations on the 5V-GND rails, thereby ruining my audio data. I've confirmed that it is indeed the oscillations because the oscillations and op amp output are in sync and have the same frequency. I am wondering how I can avoid this problem. Since the boost converter cannot get away from rippling the output, I would like to know how to prevent the op amp from picking up this noise, or if there is something more crucial I may be missing.

• How far away the LM386 and LM2623 from each other? How is your layout? If possible, could you show us your layout? How is your LM386 configured, could you show us a schematic? Also, what is your switching frequency for LM2623? – abdullah kahraman Mar 29 '13 at 15:15
• LM386 is NOT an opamp! It's a small audio power amplifier. Fine in its own role driving small speakers, but, as you are finding, a poor substitute for an opamp or a microphone amplifier... – Brian Drummond Mar 29 '13 at 15:27
• Did you provide a capacitor on the bypass pin of LM386? (Not having to go back and answer questions like this is why it's a good idea to include a schematic in your question) – The Photon Mar 29 '13 at 15:33
• The LM386 actually works great for my purposes when this power line ripple isn't present, whether or not it is an op-amp (but the distinction is noted). I also agree that posting a schematic would have been beneficial, and will consider that for future questions. – Ryan Tuck Apr 1 '13 at 13:43

Yup, opamps will pick up some of the signal on their power and interpet that as input. This is exactly what the power supply rejection spec is there to quantify. A ideal opamp would have inifinite power supply reject, but actual opamps have rather less than that.

Even with the power supply rejection spec, you can't take it at face value. It is very rare that the freqency is specified, so assume it is at DC only. The active circuit in the opamp that allows it to be relatively immune to power signals only works over some frequency range. It may be less susceptible to power signals at high frequencies because the overall response of the opamp falls off with frequency, or it may be more susceptible because the active rejection circuit can't deal with the high frequencies as well.

Whenever you are amplifying small signals by a large gain, you have to filter the power supply. This is standard practise. Even a little power signal into your small signal can make a large mess downstream. For sensitive amplifiers, such as when amplifying a microphone signal, always filter the power supply.

In your case, put a ferrite chip inductor in series with the power lead to the opamp, followed by a substantial ceramic cap to ground. Something like a 1 µH or so chip inductor followed by 10 µF to ground is usually good enough. This will form a L-C filter that strongly attenuates the high frequencies. These chip inductors usually have a few 100 mΩ resistance, which forms a R-C filter with the capacitor that usually attenuates lower frequencies before the L-C kicks in. For really sensitive circuits, put two of these filters in series on each power feed.

• According to the LM386 datasheet, for this part PSRR is actually very poor at DC and improves at higher frequencies. It is also highly dependent on bypass capacitors. – The Photon Mar 29 '13 at 15:25

If the circuit connections don't adhere to reasonable practise then no-amount of filtering will really help that much. Any connections between the microphone and the input of the amp must not share common points with supply rails. This means pin 2 MUST be directly connected to pin 4 and the bottom end of the pot must be connected to pin 4. Ditto the microphone. Feed 0V in to the right on the drawing below and star-point the pot, the mic and pin2 at pin4 - make one single connection to 0V.

Going back to the circuit you have chosen - did you fit a capacitor on pin7 - very important that you do because that sets the PSU rejection capabilities of the device. Try a 47uF if you didn't else tell us what you fitted.

With no cap fitted the amp will reject PSU noise across the full range of frequencies it might handle at a miserly 6dB. In other words, if you have 1Vp-p on the rails, you'll get 0.5Vp-p on the output.

A word about the Switching PSU - it's a basic type and it cycle skips because of its simplicity - this produces a greater ripple voltage than one would normally expect. See below: -

This can be much improved with a few simple mods to something like the level on the sawtooth on the rising and falling ramps, however, i'd be inclined to get it to produce +6V and have a low-drop-out linear regulator following it if you can't kill the noise.

• Where you wrote, "ditto the above", be aware that SE doesn't always show the answers in the same order...so what's above today might be below tomorrow. – The Photon Mar 29 '13 at 15:55
• Already on it @ThePhoton – Andy aka Mar 29 '13 at 15:59

One technique to improve the power supply ripple, at the expense of efficiency, is to go with a two-stage approach - fit a linear regulator to the output of the switching regulator. I've seen this approach on medical power supplies that need low harmonic content and low ripple on their DC outputs.

This technique (of course) requires the boost output to be higher than the minimum headroom that the linear regulator requires, but it gets rid of the large ripple generated by hysteretic regulation (described succintly by Andy aka) that a normal LC or purely capacitive filter would have a harder time dealing with.

If the boost converter were being loaded sufficiently to keep it running continuously, you'd most likely be able to make do with an LC filter stage between the opamp and the power supply rail as described by Olin.

• We actually ended up putting an LDO on the output of our voltage regulator which fixed our problem. Thanks for the guidance. – Ryan Tuck Jun 24 '13 at 19:57
• Good to hear that the problem is solved. One last bit of homework for you is to accept one of the answers posted (not necessarily mine) for the 'benefit' of the site, if you feel that your question has been properly answered. – Adam Lawrence Jun 25 '13 at 12:45